USU Scrimmage

[daj2576]

I really like our LB vs your OL match-up with 5 new starters coming in all at once.

I really really like your QB vs the air match up. I think whoever starts, they'll be among the bottom half of QBs we play all season. It's nothing personal against tennessee as a program, I just think your quarterbacks have played absolutely horrendously and I dont see why it would change game one.

Another variable in our favor is that it is the first game. if there is a time to get a crop of talented recruits, it would be the first game. doesn't mean they'll be bad, but it favors us more than it would later on.

having a 4 year starting QB is a positive variable too, even though he is coming back from an injury a year ago.

Your perception of QB talent is versus our schedule. See everything I posted above in regards to drawing conclusions based on dissimilar opponents. And, see also the delta in talent by position group that I offered. It is very difficult to look good with either a 4th string QB versus SEC caliber defenses, or with a starting QB and young receivers versus SEC caliber defenses (Oregon's D wasn't half bad either).

So you like your LB vs. our O- Line? Do you foresee many sacks and run stuffing opportunities? See the conversation and proof of not only how talent matters substantially but also about how experience isn't nearly as important as most believe. Given that our O - Line is young, I can see how that might seem to side with you. I'm just not sure years of data to the contrary agrees.

I look forward to a good game and hope that your men show up like you believe. We need to be tested before we get into the meat of the schedule. You guys look less daunting than anyone else on our schedule besides UT -C from a talent perspective.

I'm not predicting a blow out. Honestly I don't care if the win is by 1 or 100. I think your "favorable" factors will influence the score differential to some degree just not the outcome which is heavily in UTs favor.

 

[KBVol]

just a handful. I watched the oregon one for sure, but i'm not sure of the others. i usually watch every game that's on tv, no matter what teams/conference. i just record them all and flip back and forth between commercials/half-time. i love college football (as i'm sure many of you do)

Oh, you watched the Oregon game. Well that explains why you think we suck out loud. That was an absolute embarrassment. Fwiw, 1/7th of our traveling squad to Oregon were walk-ons. Like I said, Dooley absolutely decimated our program.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I really like our LB vs your OL match-up with 5 new starters coming in all at once.

I really really like your QB vs the air match up. I think whoever starts, they'll be among the bottom half of QBs we play all season. It's nothing personal against tennessee as a program, I just think your quarterbacks have played absolutely horrendously and I dont see why it would change game one.

Another variable in our favor is that it is the first game. if there is a time to get a crop of talented recruits, it would be the first game. doesn't mean they'll be bad, but it favors us more than it would later on.

having a 4 year starting QB is a positive variable too, even though he is coming back from an injury a year ago.

Our QBs did not play horribly against USU-level talent last year.

Our defense is more talented than your defense. Our QBs did pretty well against them in the Spring game. They do pretty well against them in practice. You actually think UT's QBs will be shocked when they take the field against USU?

Really?

 

[White Bread]

Our QBs did not play horribly against USU-level talent last year.

Our defense is more talented than your defense. Our QBs did pretty well against them in the Spring game. They do pretty well against them in practice. You actually think UT's QBs will be shocked when they take the field against USU?

Really?

I guess they just totally ignore the fact that Worley beat South Carolina, and should have beat UGA. If not for his injury, we probably wouldn't be discussing a QB problem. He was progressing tremendously before his injury, that forced us to play with a true freshman in Dobbs.

 

[sjt18]

Our QBs did not play horribly against USU-level talent last year.

Our defense is more talented than your defense. Our QBs did pretty well against them in the Spring game. They do pretty well against them in practice. You actually think UT's QBs will be shocked when they take the field against USU?

Really?

Why of course. Everyone knows that no on in the SEC has LB's as good as USU's. UT has NEVER seen the kind of LB talent they're going to see on Aug 30.

Bama? Forget it. All those LB's they've put in the NFL really weren't that good. USCe... of course not. LB's from UGA, UF, etc.... ALL lightweights compared to those studs the Aggies are going to dominate UT's OL with.

And OF COURSE they don't see anything like that level of talent when they face AJ and Maggitt in practice?

ARE YOU INSANE? USU has the best LB corps in the WORLD!!!! We just need to give up and hope we can stay close.

And let's not even get in to how much better the "polys" are than all of those 4/5* DL's UT faces every week in the SEC....

:whistling:

 

[Orange_Crush]

Why of course. Everyone knows that no on in the SEC has LB's as good as USU's. UT has NEVER seen the kind of LB talent they're going to see on Aug 30.

Bama? Forget it. All those LB's they've put in the NFL really weren't that good. USCe... of course not. LB's from UGA, UF, etc.... ALL lightweights compared to those studs the Aggies are going to dominate UT's OL with.

And OF COURSE they don't see anything like that level of talent when they face AJ and Maggitt in practice?

ARE YOU INSANE? USU has the best LB corps in the WORLD!!!! We just need to give up and hope we can stay close.

And let's not even get in to how much better the "polys" are than all of those 4/5* DL's UT faces every week in the SEC....

:whistling:

When we point out that we play better talent than theirs every week, we're arrogant. When they infer that their 2* talent is actually better than what we have/face, they're just being factual.

It's actually mind-boggling. I feel like I've entered bizarro-world. Up is down and East is West.

 

[sjt18]

I really like our LB vs your OL match-up with 5 new starters coming in all at once.

I really really like your QB vs the air match up. I think whoever starts, they'll be among the bottom half of QBs we play all season. It's nothing personal against tennessee as a program, I just think your quarterbacks have played absolutely horrendously and I dont see why it would change game one.

Because you, like many UT fans, have misjudged the QB talent based on last year. WR play will be night and day better this fall. Last year UT's best WR was a Fr who had never played WR before. His game has developed. Add to that a mammoth 6'5" 240 lb WR who is coming into his own, a couple of other So/Jr WR's that would be the most talented on your team if they played for you, a 5* Fr who is playing like a JR, and, oh yeah, the #2 ranked JUCO WR.

UT has about 5 guys right now capable of playing well in the SEC.

You are going to be amazed at how much better the QB(s) look.

FWIW, at least 3 of them have stronger arms than Keeton.

having a 4 year starting QB is a positive variable too, even though he is coming back from an injury a year ago.

Maybe. But your 4 top returning WR's totaled 118 catches for 1188 yards. UT's top 4 returning WR's even assuming Howard doesn't make it back had 81 catches for 1135 yards. If Pig figures out how to make it back then WR becomes an even more lopsided advantage both in terms of talent and returning production.

Competition and everything considered... this isn't an advantage for you even before considering your secondary.

 

[butchna]

Why of course. Everyone knows that no on in the SEC has LB's as good as USU's. UT has NEVER seen the kind of LB talent they're going to see on Aug 30.

Bama? Forget it. All those LB's they've put in the NFL really weren't that good. USCe... of course not. LB's from UGA, UF, etc.... ALL lightweights compared to those studs the Aggies are going to dominate UT's OL with.

And OF COURSE they don't see anything like that level of talent when they face AJ and Maggitt in practice?

ARE YOU INSANE? USU has the best LB corps in the WORLD!!!! We just need to give up and hope we can stay close.

And let's not even get in to how much better the "polys" are than all of those 4/5* DL's UT faces every week in the SEC....

:whistling:

SJT brung his hickory paddle!!! :horse:

 

[Sudden Impact]

When we point out that we play better talent than theirs every week, we're arrogant. When they infer that their 2* talent is actually better than what we have/face, they're just being factual.

It's actually mind-boggling. I feel like I've entered bizarro-world. Up is down and East is West.

Fickle please address this.

 

[Madmartigan]

Why of course. Everyone knows that no on in the SEC has LB's as good as USU's. UT has NEVER seen the kind of LB talent they're going to see on Aug 30.

Bama? Forget it. All those LB's they've put in the NFL really weren't that good. USCe... of course not. LB's from UGA, UF, etc.... ALL lightweights compared to those studs the Aggies are going to dominate UT's OL with.

And OF COURSE they don't see anything like that level of talent when they face AJ and Maggitt in practice?

ARE YOU INSANE? USU has the best LB corps in the WORLD!!!! We just need to give up and hope we can stay close.

And let's not even get in to how much better the "polys" are than all of those 4/5* DL's UT faces every week in the SEC....

:whistling:

Your penchant for hyperbole is one of a kind. I am impressed. I don't know that any level-headed poster would compare our LBs to an elite SEC program like Alabama's. USU has some good individual athletes but their strength is the way they play as a team. No one is entitled, they swarm to the ball and do what it takes to win. They are also fundamentally sound,smart, and disciplined. I can't comment to personally having seen their work ethic, but the results of the field make me think they work really really hard. The only LB I think gets drafted out of this group is Kyler Fackrell and perhaps Nick Vigil.

That kind of team mentality is the culture that has permeated USU's football team as part of the turnaround we've experienced.

All things considered I'll repeat Tennessee has better athletes and more of them. If that was the only factor in the game Tennessee wins in a blowout- but it's not.

 

[ag4fr]

Why of course. Everyone knows that no on in the SEC has LB's as good as USU's. UT has NEVER seen the kind of LB talent they're going to see on Aug 30.

Bama? Forget it. All those LB's they've put in the NFL really weren't that good. USCe... of course not. LB's from UGA, UF, etc.... ALL lightweights compared to those studs the Aggies are going to dominate UT's OL with.

And OF COURSE they don't see anything like that level of talent when they face AJ and Maggitt in practice?

ARE YOU INSANE? USU has the best LB corps in the WORLD!!!! We just need to give up and hope we can stay close.

And let's not even get in to how much better the "polys" are than all of those 4/5* DL's UT faces every week in the SEC....

:whistling:

I don't really think any Utah State fan has been here or on our site or anywhere else, for that matter, saying that we are all-world or anything of the sort. Vol fans are the ones doing the big talking.

For the record, the UT record just is not there to support the kind of hyperbole that is being freely thrown around on VN.

Y'all are a lower tier SEC team until you prove otherwise. That may still be enough for you to beat us at home but the fact that the oddsmakers are giving you about 3 points plus the std. home field 3-4 points advantage tells me that the guys that actually know what they are talking about are not wetting their pants with excitement about how good this UT team will be.

We'll see.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

i just keep laughing at this guy. Telling us how bad we are bc we got drilled by so many top 15 teams yet his team doesnt have a fraction of the talent as any of those teams we got drilled by. i dont understand the argument

 

[RiseToTheTop]

I don't really think any Utah State fan has been here or on our site or anywhere else, for that matter, saying that we are all-world or anything of the sort. Vol fans are the ones doing the big talking.

For the record, the UT record just is not there to support the kind of hyperbole that is being freely thrown around on VN.

Y'all are a lower tier SEC team until you prove otherwise. That may still be enough for you to beat us at home but the fact that the oddsmakers are giving you about 3 points plus the std. home field 3-4 points advantage tells me that the guys that actually know what they are talking about are not wetting their pants with excitement about how good this UT team will be.

We'll see.

the vol fans are doing the talking bc it is their site.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

I don't really think any Utah State fan has been here or on our site or anywhere else, for that matter, saying that we are all-world or anything of the sort. Vol fans are the ones doing the big talking.

For the record, the UT record just is not there to support the kind of hyperbole that is being freely thrown around on VN.

Y'all are a lower tier SEC team until you prove otherwise. That may still be enough for you to beat us at home but the fact that the oddsmakers are giving you about 3 points plus the std. home field 3-4 points advantage tells me that the guys that actually know what they are talking about are not wetting their pants with excitement about how good this UT team will be.

We'll see.

youre a top 3 or 4 mountain west team that still cannot get by fresno or boise. You cannot beat a low tier Pac 12 team in Utah. you have no room to say anything about a lower tier SEC team. makes no sense. You won 9 games and still cannot break into any of the polls.

 

[White Bread]

I don't really think any Utah State fan has been here or on our site or anywhere else, for that matter, saying that we are all-world or anything of the sort. Vol fans are the ones doing the big talking.

For the record, the UT record just is not there to support the kind of hyperbole that is being freely thrown around on VN.

Y'all are a lower tier SEC team until you prove otherwise. That may still be enough for you to beat us at home but the fact that the oddsmakers are giving you about 3 points plus the std. home field 3-4 points advantage tells me that the guys that actually know what they are talking about are not wetting their pants with excitement about how good this UT team will be.

We'll see.

Prepare to be burned at the stake for this one lol. Low tier....smh.

 

[ficklez]

Fickle please address this.

He's changing my words. What he's responding to isn't what I'm saying. I've blatantly said that usu doesn't have the talent Tennessee does and that well never have a year of recruits like Tennessee does even if we play football for 1000 years. I make an argument that as a unit, our guys make up for the talent gap by playing well together. But that turns into sjtroll acting like I said we are better. We have two individual players better than Tennessee's starters. Chuckie and fackrell. Besides them, Tennessee is either better or there's just nothing to go on because there are new faces on both sides. If he wants to keep pretending that the only thing that matters is recruit rankings, that's fine. This will be my last post here though because I'm tired of saying something and having the two or three idiots here change my words and act like I'm insulting Tennessee. Not worth the effort.

 

[White Bread]

He's changing my words. What he's responding to isn't what I'm saying. I've blatantly said that usu doesn't have the talent Tennessee does and that well never have a year of recruits like Tennessee does even if we play football for 1000 years. I make an argument that as a unit, our guys make up for the talent gap by playing well together. But that turns into sjtroll acting like I said we are better. We have two individual players better than Tennessee's starters. Chuckie and fackrell. Besides them, Tennessee is either better or there's just nothing to go on because there are new faces on both sides. If he wants to keep pretending that the only thing that matters is recruit rankings, that's fine. This will be my last post here though because I'm tired of saying something and having the two or three idiots here change my words and act like I'm insulting Tennessee. Not worth the effort.

There are 2 or 3 idiots anywhere you go in this world. Gotta live with it.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

I don't really think any Utah State fan has been here or on our site or anywhere else, for that matter, saying that we are all-world or anything of the sort. Vol fans are the ones doing the big talking.

For the record, the UT record just is not there to support the kind of hyperbole that is being freely thrown around on VN.

Y'all are a lower tier SEC team until you prove otherwise. That may still be enough for you to beat us at home but the fact that the oddsmakers are giving you about 3 points plus the std. home field 3-4 points advantage tells me that the guys that actually know what they are talking about are not wetting their pants with excitement about how good this UT team will be.

We'll see.

the line doesnt guarantee anything. it will more than likely change as the game gets closer too

 

[Vol865]

I don't really think any Utah State fan has been here or on our site or anywhere else, for that matter, saying that we are all-world or anything of the sort. Vol fans are the ones doing the big talking.

For the record, the UT record just is not there to support the kind of hyperbole that is being freely thrown around on VN.

Y'all are a lower tier SEC team until you prove otherwise. That may still be enough for you to beat us at home but the fact that the oddsmakers are giving you about 3 points plus the std. home field 3-4 points advantage tells me that the guys that actually know what they are talking about are not wetting their pants with excitement about how good this UT team will be.

We'll see.

One of your posters said Fackrell would start over anyone we have and thats simply not true. And its easy to talk a big game when your rival is Wyoming.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

One of your posters said Fackrell would start over anyone we have and thats simply not true. And its easy to talk a big game when your rival is Wyoming.

fackrell is a good player but he also looks much better bc of the garbage high school competition he plays. His numbers were good but not amazing. If youre that good you should have amazing numbers in that crap conference.

 

[VolAllen]

One of your posters said Fackrell would start over anyone we have and thats simply not true. And its easy to talk a big game when your rival is Wyoming.

Did you have to mention WYOMING???!!!! 👎

 

[Madmartigan]

fackrell is a good player but he also looks much better bc of the garbage high school competition he plays. His numbers were good but not amazing. If youre that good you should have amazing numbers in that crap conference.

Here is where the problem lies- if you play in the MWC any accomplishment is null and void in many UT-Knoxville fans worlds. That's why it's hard to have meaningful discussion here. USU fan: "He's a good player" UT-Knoxville Fan: "He's only good because he plays in the MW. He'd be nothing in the SEC. We're in the SEC- remember?" He (Fackrell) is still an NFL caliber linebacker no matter the competition he currently plays.

No one has ever said that MWC was better than the SEC or ever will be. A quality player would be a quality player no matter the conference in which he plays.

 

[Vol865]

Did you have to mention WYOMING???!!!! 👎

I was there....mulligan

 

[Vol865]

Here is where the problem lies- if you play in the MWC any accomplishment is null and void in many UT-Knoxville fans worlds. That's why it's hard to have meaningful discussion here. USU fan: "He's a good player" UT-Knoxville Fan: "He's only good because he plays in the MW. He'd be nothing in the SEC. We're in the SEC- remember?" He (Fackrell) is still an NFL caliber linebacker no matter the competition he currently plays.

No one has ever said that MWC was better than the SEC or ever will be. A quality player would be a quality player no matter the conference in which he plays.

So what you're saying is that if Jordan Lynch, a quality player, played for a team in the SEC who would have the same kind of numbers as he did he in the AAC or whatever conference theyre in? Fackrell might be good but the biggest difference between the majority of the SEC and everyone else is both sides of the line of scrimmage. He would not be as effective in this conference.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Ficklez,

I will say sometimes, you do have a tendency to play this game on paper more than you should. Originally, I think you came to Volnation bolstering about a Vegas Line that had USU as 2pt favorites in another thread. Complimentary of our team as you were, but giddy.

Most of us did not panic and felt it was too early to pass judgment, but there was awareness and dutifully noted. We have been bottom feeders in the SEC no doubt about it, but several posters here have been there before and know when change occurs or progress is taking shape.

This team is hungry and CBJ has them that way. It doesn't make your team a world beater but fans are beginning to noticed the little things that are back that have been missing for 7-8 years.

This game maybe the most unfortunate time to play the Vols because there will be zero slippage. It's not a trap game nor is it a look beyond game. It is a I am rebuilding my Hot Rod game and let me show you what I am getting out of it at the moment.

I would really rather be playing Alabama this game than USU because I am seeing a whole lot of players and staff anxious to show fans that we are coming back. Don't get me wrong we don't beat them this year unless they are in a bad way.

So yes, everything you are saying is flowing through one ear and out the other. Its not that we don't respect you, but it seems as though you don't respect us. Nor do you seem to respect the SEC. Maybe it is the other USU poster visiting I don't know. Bottom line is to be a lower tier team in the SEC you have to be darn good. Last years team may have gone undefeated on your schedule last year with Keeton as QB not so sure we wouldn't have.

It is your first time in Neyland Stadium, I have been to a lot of Stadiums nothing compares at the college level when the crowd is rocking. Forget the talent argument for the moment, There have been times you can't hear yourself think.

Thank goodness that CBJ is a good guy because he will take the foot off the gas at 40 pts. Am I sure of a win, pretty confident. Why? It's just really bad timing for you guys in so many ways and nobody's asleep at the wheel of this vehicle.