UT football 2014

#51
#51
oregonvol said:
Yeah, when Butch was first hired, it was "don't make any judgements until he coaches a game."

During the season, it was "you can't say anything until he finishes the season."

Now, it's "wait until year two and see what his new recruits can do."

Then, it will be "you can't judge anything until the recruits are upperclassmen."

and on. and on.

Seasons end. Excuses are forever.
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I'm sure he would have just skipped the rebuilding and gone ahead and won it all if he knew you'd be this pissed.
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#52
#52
ice said:
This will be the year other fans and myself will seriously judge CBJ and our players.

Will our new recruits make a big difference?.
Will opponents run up 50 points on us again?.

2014 will be the start of a new era or else.
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Alright dude, what gives. You got the foul stench of troll all over your posts. Fess up.
 
#53
#53
Rockytoptalker said:
He became the coach in December, how does that equate to having the same amount of time as most other coaches? I can tell you don't keep up with recruiting, because that's absolutely not true. Most coaches start offering players 1-2 years in advance, CBJ had a little over a month to salvage his first recruiting class.

As far as this year, we already have two five stars in campus (Hurd and Malone) as well as the #2 JUCO receiver. This class will end up in the top ten in the country at worst, seeing as how only 3-4 of our 33 commits are even remotely interested in hearing from other schools. And here's another fun fact for you, UT has the most EE's in the country at 14.

For the love of God stop spreading your negativity everywhere.

EDIT: You said the same amount of time as first year coaches, which is virtually true, however, only one new coach ended up putting together a better class than CBJ did last year, and that was Gus Malzahn.
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So, you completely misread what I said. Then attack me. Then include a brief note at the end explaining that you misread what I said. Yep, same old volnation.
 
#54
#54
oregonvol said:
So, you completely misread what I said. Then attack me. Then include a brief note at the end explaining that you misread what I said. Yep, same old volnation.
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Poor Oregon...always valued less than Washington :)
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#55
#55
oregonvol said:
So, you completely misread what I said. Then attack me. Then include a brief note at the end explaining that you misread what I said. Yep, same old volnation.
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And it proves you wrong.... You have nothing more to say.

And since when is disagreeing with someone called "attacking?"
 
#56
#56
Rockytoptalker said:
And it proves you wrong.... You have nothing more to say.

And since when is disagreeing with someone called "attacking?"
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You disagreed with my contention that Butch Jones had as much time to recruit his first year class as most FIRST YEAR COACHES, by arguing that most coaches offer years ahead of time and then contended that I must not keep up with recruiting, since I didn't know that most FIRST YEAR COACHES recruit their players years ahead of time. And then you charged me with negativity, because I did what exactly? Oh that's right, I stated a fact, which you failed to actually read correctly. Like I said, same old volnation.
 
#58
#58
RockyTop411 said:
2014 for me is really Trial #2. I want to see improvement in every facet of the game, and go bowling. 6 Wins is the goal, 7+ is just gravy.

2015, it's on like Donkey Kong. 8+ Wins or bust.
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i feel the same way.the team needs to improve some each year.and then by 2016 we should be able to have a break out year.
 
#61
#61
oregonvol said:
You disagreed with my contention that Butch Jones had as much time to recruit his first year class as most FIRST YEAR COACHES, by arguing that most coaches offer years ahead of time and then contended that I must not keep up with recruiting, since I didn't know that most FIRST YEAR COACHES recruit their players years ahead of time. And then you charged me with negativity, because I did what exactly? Oh that's right, I stated a fact, which you failed to actually read correctly. Like I said, same old volnation.
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You obviously don't keep up with recruiting if you think Butch did a bad job with the 2013 class, and if the only thing you ever hear about is recruits potentially flipping to other schools.

There's a recruiting forum on here, you should go check it out sometime.

Your panties are in a serious wad.
 
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#63
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oregonvol said:
You disagreed with my contention that Butch Jones had as much time to recruit his first year class as most FIRST YEAR COACHES, by arguing that most coaches offer years ahead of time and then contended that I must not keep up with recruiting, since I didn't know that most FIRST YEAR COACHES recruit their players years ahead of time. And then you charged me with negativity, because I did what exactly? Oh that's right, I stated a fact, which you failed to actually read correctly. Like I said, same old volnation.
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You compared his recruiting to Vanderbilt then defend it by saying he had the same amount of time as other first-year coaches, yet Franklin wasn't a first year coach. You will have to excuse those who dont quite follow your logic.

You want to compare recruiting with Vanderbilt this year?
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
No, that wasn't directed at you personally.
There are some here very overprotective of this coaching staff.
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There is also a difference between those who have legitimate concerns and those who just toss out baseless nonsense in thread after thread.

Hope you are doing well DH. :hi:
 
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Freak said:
There is also a difference between those who have legitimate concerns and those who just toss out baseless nonsense in thread after thread.

Hope you are doing well DH. :hi:
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I will admit that there are some who throw anything out there just to get a rise. I'm honestly not trying to be one of those guys.

Doing pretty good here. Hope all is well with you and yours.
 
#66
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Doyle Hargraves said:
I will admit that there are some who throw anything out there just to get a rise. I'm honestly not trying to be one of those guys.

Doing pretty good here. Hope all is well with you and yours.
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Didn't mean to imply that you were.
 
#67
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Freak said:
You compared his recruiting to Vanderbilt then defend it by saying he had the same amount of time as other first-year coaches, yet Franklin wasnt a first year caoch. You will have to excuse those who dont quite follow your logic.

You want to compare recruiting with Vanderbilt this year?
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No. I said he finished behind Vanderbilt. I never said that Franklin was a first year coach. Obviously I would never compare our recruiting with Vanderbilt's straight up. Do you think the two programs should be comparable? Do you think that the benchmark of our program should be "let's strive to do it better than Vanderbilt"?

No. I said that, as a first year coach, Butch finished lower than Vanderbilt in recruiting. That's something no UT coach has done (first year or not) in my lifetime.

His class finished ranked somewhere from 20-30 (closer to 30 on most services iirc). That's not good at UT. I know Dooley left him a bad class. But I'm not going to praise his recruiting prowess from last year based on inheriting a bad class and not signing a very good class either. And that was the issue to begin with - the progress Jones showed from day 1 and MedicT's assertion that he showed it via recruiting (here is the exchange). I didn't see significant progress in recruiting until this current class began to come together.
 
#69
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oregonvol said:
No. I said he finished behind Vanderbilt. I never said that Franklin was a first year coach. Obviously I would never compare our recruiting with Vanderbilt's straight up. Do you think the two programs should be comparable? Do you think that the benchmark of our program should be "let's strive to do it better than Vanderbilt"?

No. I said that, as a first year coach, Butch finished lower than Vanderbilt in recruiting. That's something no UT coach has done (first year or not) in my lifetime.

His class finished ranked somewhere from 20-30 (closer to 30 on most services iirc). That's not good at UT. I know Dooley left him a bad class. But I'm not going to praise his recruiting prowess from last year based on inheriting a bad class and not signing a very good class either. And that was the issue to begin with - the progress Jones showed from day 1 and MedicT's assertion that he showed it via recruiting (here is the exchange). I didn't see significant progress in recruiting until this current class began to come together.
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If you're seeing progress in recruiting now, why does it matter when it happened?

It's happening. And this incoming class is amazing.
 
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oregonvol said:
No. I said he finished behind Vanderbilt. I never said that Franklin was a first year coach. Obviously I would never compare our recruiting with Vanderbilt's straight up. Do you think the two programs should be comparable? Do you think that the benchmark of our program should be "let's strive to do it better than Vanderbilt"?

No. I said that, as a first year coach, Butch finished lower than Vanderbilt in recruiting. That's something no UT coach has done (first year or not) in my lifetime.

His class finished ranked somewhere from 20-30 (closer to 30 on most services iirc). That's not good at UT. I know Dooley left him a bad class. But I'm not going to praise his recruiting prowess from last year based on inheriting a bad class and not signing a very good class either. And that was the issue to begin with - the progress Jones showed from day 1 and MedicT's assertion that he showed it via recruiting (here is the exchange). I didn't see significant progress in recruiting until this current class began to come together.
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You brought up the Vandy comparison. And when someone noted that Butch didn't have much time in that first year, who said he had the same amount of time as other first year coaches, which seems irrelevant to me unless you are comparing him to other first-year coaches.

Again, you are the one who brought up the Vandy comparison. You're comparing a team at their historical peak who had a solid coach in his third year, with a guy trying to clean up Dooley's mess (who seemed to stop recruiting mid-year) in a mere two months. I don't see how that's a fair comparison. Do you?

His final recruiting rank doesn't mean he didn't do a good job from day one, if he took a 50th rated class (just throwing out a number) and made it a top 20 class.

I guess I'm trying to understand your point: It's Butch's fault Vandy had a better class? I'm not sure you noticed, but Vandy has been a better program under Franklin than Tennessee was under Dooley.
 
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#72
We should easily win 9 games including double digit wins over Oklahoma & Bama....what? oh sorry time for my electro shock..gotta go.
 
#74
#74
Freak said:
And which of our commits are flipping?
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Yea Cory Thomas and Dews are the only ones that could flip. There was talk about McDowell and Auburn, but he's solid to UT. I also heard something about Hendrix maybe visiting another school, but I'm not sure of the whole story there. Don't think anything will come out of it, thank goodness.
 
#75
#75
oregonvol said:
Well, we did get outrecruited by Vanderbilt in his first recruiting class, so I wouldn't say that was an inspiring accomplishment. I am interested in seeing where 2014's class ends up. Hoping for the best, but every time I come on here it seems, I hear about more commitments possibly flipping to other schools.
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This is where you stated Butch got out-recruited by Vandy. There's no way in heck you should use that as a negative against him. He signed North and two ESPN 300 qb's in a little less than two months time. As I pointed earlier, the only first year coach that hauled in a better class than CBJ was Malzahn.
 
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