UT football 2014

[oregonvol]

You brought up the Vandy comparison. And when someone noted that Butch didn't have much time in that first year, who said he had the same amount of time as other first year coaches, which seems irrelevant to me unless you are comparing him to other first-year coaches.

Again, you are the one who brought up the Vandy comparison. You're comparing a team at their historical peak who had a solid coach in his third year, with a guy trying to clean up Dooley's mess (who seemed to stop recruiting mid-year) in a mere two months. I don't see how that's a fair comparison. Do you?

Yes. We're seriously debating this? Yes, I think it is fair to expect the coach at UT to outrecruit the coach at Vanderbilt, no matter what year they're in. Have you seen their facilities? Their stadium? Any idea of what kind of budget they are working with?

Are you really telling me that you believe that a first year coach at UT shouldn't be expected to outrecruit anyone other than other first year coaches? Or that they shouldn't be expected to outrecruit a Vanderbilt coach in their third year?

His final recruiting rank doesn't mean he didn't do a good job from day one, if he took a 50th rated class (just throwing out a number) and made it a top 20 class.

I guess I'm trying to understand your point: It's Butch's fault Vandy had a better class? I'm not sure you noticed, but Vandy has been a better program under Franklin than Tennessee was under Dooley.

We both know that, regardless of the class ranking when he took over, that class was going to rise in rankings by the end, regardless of who the coach was. Even Dooley (the worst coach in UT history) would have improved the class ranking by signing day. Look at how much other SEC programs rose in the rankings in the last two months. Look at how quickly they are rising now.

And where was it a top 20 class? The highest I saw anyone rank it was 21 (on rivals. it was 29th on espn).

 

[Volumnus 2011]

I want to see us compete with South Carolina, Georgia, Ol Miss and Florida, with a chance to win all four, but to at least go 2-2 in these 4 games.

I want to see us beat Vandy, Kentucky, Utah State, Arkansas State and UTC.

I want to see us keep it respectable against Alabama, Missouri and Oklahoma, with the possibility of an upset at the end of one of the games.

What I want summary: A record of at least 7-5, but possibly 8-4.

I'd also like to see at least a Top 15 recruiting class in 2015.

 

[gunner]

I want to see us compete with South Carolina, Georgia, Ol Miss and Florida, with a chance to win all four, but to at least go 2-2 in these 4 games.

I want to see us beat Vandy, Kentucky, Utah State, Arkansas State and UTC.

I want to see us keep it respectable against Alabama, Missouri and Oklahoma, with the possibility of an upset at the end of one of the games.

What I want summary: A record of at least 7-5, but possibly 8-4.

I'd also like to see at least a Top 15 recruiting class in 2015.

I agree, but no worse than a top 10 class that meets UT's needs, and especially a top QB.

 

[butchna]

Yes. We're seriously debating this? Yes, I think it is fair to expect the coach at UT to outrecruit the coach at Vanderbilt, no matter what year they're in. Have you seen their facilities? Their stadium? Any idea of what kind of budget they are working with?

Are you really telling me that you believe that a first year coach at UT shouldn't be expected to outrecruit anyone other than other first year coaches? Or that they shouldn't be expected to outrecruit a Vanderbilt coach in their third year?



We both know that, regardless of the class ranking when he took over, that class was going to rise in rankings by the end, regardless of who the coach was. Even Dooley (the worst coach in UT history) would have improved the class ranking by signing day. Look at how much other SEC programs rose in the rankings in the last two months. Look at how quickly they are rising now.

And where was it a top 20 class? The highest I saw anyone rank it was 21 (on rivals. it was 29th on espn).

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[majorvol]

This will be the year other fans and myself will seriously judge CBJ and our players.

Will our new recruits make a big difference?.
Will opponents run up 50 points on us again?.

2014 will be the start of a new era or else.

The judging started when CBJ got here where have you been?

 

[ice]

The judging started when CBJ got here where have you been?

CBJ inherited a mess, had to use players recruited by some one else, did not know his players and their abilities. Moral was at an all time low.

In 2014, he has had time to settle in, build moral, and have his own recruits on the field.

Just saying, it is time to see real progress. Other coaches have done it and Butch can too. We hope for, and expect real progress starting with 2014.

 

[Fatman Photos]

CBJ inherited a mess, had to use players recruited by some one else, did not know his players and their abilities. Moral was at an all time low.

In 2014, he has had time to settle in, build moral, and have his own recruits on the field.

Just saying, it is time to see real progress. Other coaches have done it and Butch can too. We hope for, and expect real progress starting with 2014.

Yes all of his true freshmen and what players he actually was able to recruit last year are going to make all the difference in the world. Not many true freshmen make a big difference. There are a few but not many. I have said from the beginning it will be 2015 or 2016 before thinking about winning the east.

 

[jason3713]

Lets just pull a Happy Gilmore. I think ill just try and make it on the first shot every time. Allot easier than putting.
Lets just win now. That way we dont have to rebuild.

 

[General Jack]

CBJ inherited a mess, had to use players recruited by some one else, did not know his players and their abilities. Moral was at an all time low.

In 2014, he has had time to settle in, build moral, and have his own recruits on the field.

Just saying, it is time to see real progress. Other coaches have done it and Butch can too. We hope for, and expect real progress starting with 2014.

This is a reasonable post. But keep in mind winning in the SEC requires battle-hardened big uglies on the line of scrimmage. We won't have that in 2014. I can see us playing close to the same level as 2013 though, despite the attrition due to consistency in system and upgrade in talent (d-line).

Also, "other coaches" haven't faced the type of scheduling that we currently do. Our schedules have been absolutely brutal, whereas if we had played Vandy's schedule the past 2 years we would have won 2+ more games per season.

 

[VFL1953]

Yeah, when Butch was first hired, it was "don't make any judgements until he coaches a game."

During the season, it was "you can't say anything until he finishes the season."

Now, it's "wait until year two and see what his new recruits can do."

Then, it will be "you can't judge anything until the recruits are upperclassmen."

and on. and on.

Seasons end. Excuses are forever.

I'm hoping, maybe even expecting, a 6-6 season and a bowl game. If not....well, I will turn on my TV every Saturday and watch the Vols. I will read every scrap of info I can find on the internet about the Vols. I will post on Volnation when I have time. I will wear my Bill Dance style Tennessee ball cap with pride, especially on bad hair days. Just like the last 40 some odd years. VFL dammit.

I understand, though. The rain in Oregon does have a way of making some people miserable.

 

[oregonvol]

I'm hoping, maybe even expecting, a 6-6 season and a bowl game. If not....well, I will turn on my TV every Saturday and watch the Vols. I will read every scrap of info I can find on the internet about the Vols. I will post on Volnation when I have time. I will wear my Bill Dance style Tennessee ball cap with pride, especially on bad hair days. Just like the last 40 some odd years. VFL dammit.

I understand, though. The rain in Oregon does have a way of making some people miserable.

Being a happy sheep doesn't make you a better fan than someone who uses logic and makes honest evaluations. If all fans were happy no matter what the result, no sports organization would ever have any motivation to improve anything.

 

[VFL1953]

Being a happy sheep doesn't make you a better fan than someone who uses logic and makes honest evaluations. If all fans were happy no matter what the result, no sports organization would ever have any motivation to improve anything.

Please show me in my post where I said I was happy about losing? Reading comprehension for the win, bud. Maybe your logic skills and attention to detail are not as developed as you believe.

 

[oregonvol]

Please show me in my post where I said I was happy about losing? Reading comprehension for the win, bud. Maybe your logic skills and attention to detail are not as developed as you believe.

Show me where I said I was miserable? You can't, but you stated that I was.

Your post intimated that you would behave the same way regardless of outcome. Perhaps a more apt term would be "complacent" or "acquiescent" or "pushover", but I think "happy sheep" is close enough. Either way, its the dream of any poorly run organization to have supporters who don't care about the results or the product they're being sold, but just mindlessly consume it regardless.

 

[VFL1953]

Show me where I said I was miserable? You can't, but you stated that I was.

Your post intimated that you would behave the same way regardless of outcome. Perhaps a more apt term would be "complacent" or "acquiescent" or "pushover", but I think "happy sheep" is close enough. Either way, its the dream of any poorly run organization to have supporters who don't care about the results or the product they're being sold, but just mindlessly consume it regardless.

Actually, no. My post "intimates" that I will continue to watch and support Vols football regardless of outcome. A couple more years without any progress and you will probably see some less positive posts from me, but I will still be here. Are you saying that if the team does not perform up to your standards, within the time frame that you set, then you will no longer watch and support Tennessee football?

I'll bet you will continue to watch the games regardless of our record. Which reduces your oppressively negative posts to the level of whining.

 

[oregonvol]

Actually, no. My post "intimates" that I will continue to watch and support Vols football regardless of outcome. Are you saying that if the team does not perform up to your standards, within the time frame that you set, then you will no longer watch and support Tennessee football?

I'll bet you will continue to watch the games regardless of our record. Which reduces your oppressively negative posts to the level of whining.

Huh? This has nothing to do with whether or not I watch games (why would that matter anyway? And why should I not criticize the product if I actually see it? Would you prefer I criticize something I don't see? Or that messageboards were reserved solely for those who want to offer mindless praise?).

You said I was miserable with no direct evidence and then you complained that I said you were happy because I didn't have direct evidence. This is a really stupid argument and I'm not wasting anymore time on it.

 

[VFL1953]

Huh? This has nothing to do with whether or not I watch games (why would that matter anyway? And why should I not criticize the product if I actually see it? Would you prefer I criticize something I don't see? Or that messageboards were reserved solely for those who want to offer mindless praise?).

You said I was miserable with no direct evidence and then you complained that I said you were happy because I didn't have direct evidence. This is a really stupid argument and I'm not wasting anymore time on it.

Sounds like a plan. Now that you have confirmed it, I will just remember to accept your posts for what they are. Whining.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Being a happy sheep doesn't make you a better fan than someone who uses logic and makes honest evaluations. If all fans were happy no matter what the result, no sports organization would ever have any motivation to improve anything.

Good post.

 

[Boca Vol]

Being a happy sheep doesn't make you a better fan than someone who uses logic and makes honest evaluations. If all fans were happy no matter what the result, no sports organization would ever have any motivation to improve anything.

A lot of people don't understand this. If there were 106,000 people at every game in 2012 then I promise Dooley would still be the coach. The fact there were 30-40,000 empty seats at games, non-renewal of season tickets, reduced donations, etc. prompted the change.

Waiving the pompoms and cheering, "go team" regardless of the performance on the field doesn't make you a better fan.

 

[VFL1953]

A lot of people don't understand this. If there were 106,000 people at every game in 2012 then I promise Dooley would still be the coach. The fact there were 30-40,000 empty seats at games, non-renewal of season tickets, reduced donations, etc. prompted the change.

Waiving the pompoms and cheering, "go team" regardless of the performance on the field doesn't make you a better fan.

Voting with your wallet and your feet is one thing. Whining on a message board is quite something else.

 

[ice]

Yes all of his true freshmen and what players he actually was able to recruit last year are going to make all the difference in the world. Not many true freshmen make a big difference. There are a few but not many. I have said from the beginning it will be 2015 or 2016 before thinking about winning the east.

I did not say anything about winning a championship in 2014.
Progress would be winning 1 or 2 more games a season than we have in the last three years or so and build on that.
Would be nice to make a bowl for a change.

 

[vol-un-tear]

you gotta remember that most of the new recruits won't do much there first year,hopefully they will be able to red shirt quiet a few,but probably not,we all know that most freshmen aren't that good,they need time in a SEC strength and condition program first and time to learn the new system they are in

i do expect to see some improvement in effort and intensity this year,but how that will relate to wins and loses?i have no idea,hopefully a bowl game,but who knows right now? none of us

Seems like Auburn, alabubba and con dog U always have freshmen that contribute. It's our turn!