UT Football.Is it plausible to believe we can win it all?

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kptvol said:
I understand the concept. Can you understand the concept that maybe perhaps there is some possibility that a conference champion wasn't the best team in the conference? In basketball, UT won the SEC East in 2006. I guess someone should inform Florida that they were the third best team in the SEC.
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Maybe it's a little easier in a 65 team tourney to win, but in football the 2 best team are supposed to play.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well that kind of blows your "LSU was the 3rd best team" theory out of the water now doesn't it?

what is the point of having conf. champions then? apparently we don't need any designation of conf. champ. we'll simply rely on the polls to determine who the "best" team is and go as is. head to head, w/l etc......just won't matter anymore.

yes, that is obviously the way to go.

and i'm sure that when TN doesn't win the SEC this year, everyone will be of the opinion that it's no big deal.......cause what is the importance a conf. title? i mean, you can win the title, but you're not the best team, so who cares?

this may be one of the most ridiculous threads i've participated in.

to sum up:
  • Conf. Champ does not consititute best team in conf.
  • National champion doesn't require any qualification other than your place in the polls, regardless of where you place in your conf.
  • Teams will compete for the national title based on being "deserving" (to be defined later, but will not be required to include head to head, w/l, conf. championship).
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The conference title is important. It HELPS determine who should play in the BCS games. It shouldn't be the sole determining factor.

Here are the issues I am arguing. I said LSU wasn't the best SEC team in 2001. You said the scoreboard doesn't lie. I directed you to the scoreboard of the LSU-UF matchup. Now, why does a 3 loss team deserve something more than a 1 loss team that beat said 3 loss team?

2001 UF-LSU score: 44-15, Gators. How does that grab you for ridiculous?

Whoops. I made a pretty big error concerning this argument. I doubt anyone will ever realize it though.
 
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kptvol said:
The conference title is important. It HELPS determine who should play in the BCS games. It shouldn't be the sole determining factor.

Here are the issues I am arguing. I said LSU wasn't the best SEC team in 2001. You said the scoreboard doesn't lie. I directed you to the scoreboard of the LSU-UF matchup. Now, why does a 3 loss team deserve something more than a 1 loss team that beat said 3 loss team?
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one more time:

Because they won the SEC TITLE GAME.

i seriously don't understand why this is so hard to get......two divisions. TN won the East. LSU won the West. FL ceased to be deserving when they walked off the field in Gainesville as the losers of the TN/FL game. LSU is in another division. while they did lose to TN and FL in the regular season, they won their divison, and earned the right to represent that division.

then the two teams play. one team wins, and gets the shiny rings and big banner.
 
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kptvol said:
2001 UF-LSU score: 44-15, Gators. How does that grab you for ridiculous?
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by that logic, then Auburn should stake a claim to FL's SEC and National title last season. they were the only team to beat them.

auburn fans, hang a banner.
 
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jakez4ut said:
one more time:

Because they won the SEC TITLE GAME.

i seriously don't understand why this is so hard to get......two divisions. TN won the East. LSU won the West. FL ceased to be deserving when they walked off the field in Gainesville as the losers of the TN/FL game. LSU is in another division. while they did lose to TN and FL in the regular season, they won their divison, and earned the right to represent that division.

then the two teams play. one team wins, and gets the shiny rings and big banner.
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yep
 
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jakez4ut said:
one more time:

Because they won the SEC TITLE GAME.

i seriously don't understand why this is so hard to get......two divisions. TN won the East. LSU won the West. FL ceased to be deserving when they walked off the field in Gainesville as the losers of the TN/FL game. LSU is in another division. while they did lose to TN and FL in the regular season, they won their divison, and earned the right to represent that division.

then the two teams play. one team wins, and gets the shiny rings and big banner.
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Florida fans would argue that LSU shouldn't have even been in the game. A more appropriate game would have been a Vols-Gators rematch.

Florida stumbled in one game and lost to a top 5 team. Two years later, USC stumbled and lost to a crappy Cal team. Yet, USC was still able to win their conference. Florida wasn't, even though they finished with the best conference record and the best overall record. I fail to see why Florida should be penalized for the more difficult path an SEC team is forced to take to its championship.
 
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kptvol said:
Florida fans would argue that LSU shouldn't have even been in the game. A more appropriate game would have been a Vols-Gators rematch.

Florida stumbled in one game and lost to a top 5 team. Two years later, USC stumbled and lost to a crappy Cal team. Yet, USC was still able to win their conference. Florida wasn't, even though they finished with the best conference record and the best overall record. I fail to see why Florida should be penalized for the more difficult path an SEC team is forced to take to its championship.
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The bottom line is that Florida didn't take care of business and they didn't deserve to make it to the title game.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
The bottom line is that Florida didn't take care of business and they didn't deserve to make it to the title game.
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If the season had panned out that Miami was the only undefeated team and UF was the only one loss team, who deserves to go? Florida. This crazy conference champs only idea would say otherwise.
 
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kptvol said:
Florida fans would argue that LSU shouldn't have even been in the game. A more appropriate game would have been a Vols-Gators rematch.

Florida stumbled in one game and lost to a top 5 team. Two years later, USC stumbled and lost to a crappy Cal team. Yet, USC was still able to win their conference. Florida wasn't, even though they finished with the best conference record and the best overall record. I fail to see why Florida should be penalized for the more difficult path an SEC team is forced to take to its championship.
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none of that matters.................the Pac 10 does not have a title game the SEC does. anything at this point is crocodile tears. you want to win the title, they should have beaten TN, either that or Foley petition the SEC commish on getting the gators in to the Western Division......short of that, it is what it is. they lost, we won, LSU wins the title.

now if you want to debate the way conf. titles are determined and their merits, that's a whole different deal all together. but unfortunately the real world is you play to win this title. no tie breakers, no co championships.....you play. which means you can lose. shocker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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kptvol said:
If the season had panned out that Miami was the only undefeated team and UF was the only one loss team, who deserves to go? Florida. This crazy conference champs only idea would say otherwise.
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If Florida was the only one loss team left then yes, they would have deserved to go, but they wouldn't have been.
 
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kptvol said:
If the season had panned out that Miami was the only undefeated team and UF was the only one loss team, who deserves to go? Florida. This crazy conference champs only idea would say otherwise.
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yeah, it's completely nuts to have a team that actually wins it's conf. play for something else. insane.

tell me again how you determine who is more deserving than someone again? cause it sure as heck isn't by winning anything.

welcome to the school of "do just enough and hope for the best" folks. i'm sitting here on pins and needles with my fingers crossed hoping that someone thinks that we deserve something over the other guy cause we couldn't get it done when it mattered.

that sounds like a great system.
 
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kptvol said:
Agreed. All I'm trying to say is that a conference champion isn't the only team that deserves a shot.
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But if you don't win your conference and their is more than 1 1 loss teams then the team that did win their conference would deserve it if they were in a major conference.
 
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kptvol said:
And apparently, as long as you win your conference, you can lose quite a bit and stil deserve a shot at the NC. Great plan!
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yeah, cause teams that win their conf. suck out loud.

has it occurred to you that in the vast majority of cases, the teams that actually do win their conf, are, get ready, the best teams in those conferences????

i know it's a novel idea and all.......
 
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jakez4ut said:
yeah, it's completely nuts to have a team that actually wins it's conf. play for something else. insane.

tell me again how you determine who is more deserving than someone again? cause it sure as heck isn't by winning anything.

welcome to the school of "do just enough and hope for the best" folks. i'm sitting here on pins and needles with my fingers crossed hoping that someone thinks that we deserve something over the other guy cause we couldn't get it done when it mattered.

that sounds like a great system.
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LSU didn't even make it to double digit wins in 2001. What were you saying about winning something? I guess there three losses didn't matter.
 
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kptvol said:
Agreed. All I'm trying to say is that a conference champion isn't the only team that deserves a shot.
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i'll just refer you to the below:
jakez4ut said:
welcome to the school of "do just enough and hope for the best" folks. i'm sitting here on pins and needles with my fingers crossed hoping that someone thinks that we deserve something over the other guy cause we couldn't get it done when it mattered.

that sounds like a great system.
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What should they do, have an SEC Wild Card game? This is why I'm anti-playoff. There will never be a system everybody likes
 
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kptvol said:
LSU didn't even make it to double digit wins in 2001. What were you saying about winning something?
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what the heck, one more time:

they won their division, hence they get to play for the SEC title.

If florida wants to blame someone for not winning the SEC they should blame themselves for not beating us when they had the chance.

this is no charity. it's football. there are winners and losers.
 
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GAVol said:
What should they do, have an SEC Wild Card game? This is why I'm anti-playoff. There will never be a system everybody likes
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They should do what they already do. That is, consider teams other than conference champions.
 
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GAVol said:
What should they do, have an SEC Wild Card game? This is why I'm anti-playoff. There will never be a system everybody likes
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do the plus one from the current BCS format, and be done with it i say.
 
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jakez4ut said:
what the heck, one more time:

they won their division, hence they get to play for the SEC title.

If florida wants to blame someone for not winning the SEC they should blame themselves for not beating us when they had the chance.

this is no charity. it's football. there are winners and losers.
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And in your system, losers like the Bayou Bengals get rewarded more than the teams that beat them.
 
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