UT gets warning to protect Jews

[GroverCleveland]

Did better than that guy who got his face melted.

And the one who chose poorly.

 

[EasternVol]

Blocking other students from class, interrupting Israeli studies, blocking traffic, distributing anti-Zionism flyers. Everything that’s happened on campuses from UCLA to Barnard College.

These aren’t peaceful protest of respecting the first amendment…these are hostile environments making threats and demands targeting a certain population.

Three of those aren't protected speech or actions. Do you know which one is and why?

 

[ButchPlz]

When was that?

Zion Ron has done it not once, but twice. Once in 2019, and once in (I think) 2023. Maybe it was last year.

 

[Majors]

Three of those aren't protected speech or actions. Do you know which one is and why?

Except the response was examples to antagonizing someone.

 

[volbound1700]

UT is going to totally cave. Trump is almost god like status with many TN Republicans and Randy Boyd, the University President, is a Republican. Too much MAGA in Tennessee to not have the school take this seriously.

 

[EasternVol]

Except the response was examples to antagonizing someone.

I'll take that as a 'no'. Thanks for playing.

 

[volbound1700]

Three of those aren't protected speech or actions. Do you know which one is and why?

The flyers would be protected as speech.

 

[EasternVol]

UT is going to totally cave. Trump is almost god like status with many TN Republicans and Randy Boyd, the University President, is a Republican. Too much MAGA in Tennessee to not have the school take this seriously.

And do what that they haven't already done?

 

[EasternVol]

Don't know. I'm offering possibilities, which is more than some have done.

ETA: I will say that I've seen the chants where they poured blood everywhere and chanted "We don't want two states. We want all of it." which is clearly a genocidal chant, as well as a clear alignment with Hamas. Similarly, I've recently seen a video from the UK where a police officer threatened to arrest a Jew near a Palestinian protest because his presence may agitate them to violence, which supports the context of reasonable belief of violence toward Jews at some of these protests.

Is it genocidal for Israel to want all of it?
There's also video of a cop in London saying 'if you're here to protest against Israel you must leave; if you're here to protest for Israel you may stay'. There are all kinds of videos out there.

 

[85SugarVol]

Thailand, but that was years ago. Red vs yellow.

Sounds like it was a real party.

Wtf are those guys wearing MASKS!??

 

[85SugarVol]

Double. I vote pie.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Is it genocidal for Israel to want all of it?
There's also video of a cop in London saying 'if you're here to protest against Israel you must leave; if you're here to protest for Israel you may stay'. There are all kinds of videos out there.

If they did, it would. Reports I have seen are that they are willing to negotiate, and Hamas' published, founding documents refuse such options. "From the river to the sea..." no?

How Palestine rejected offer to have its own state 5 times in the past - Law and Society Magazine.

If Israel just allowed the Palestinians to have a state of their own, there would be peace in the Middle East, right?That’s what you hear from ambassadors, European diplomats, and most college professors. But what if I told you that Israel has already offered the Palestinians a state of their...

lawandsocietymagazine.com

You missed my point. If the police in UK threaten to arrest Jews near these protests due to fear for their own safety, it's not unreasonable to think there may be examples when Jews fear for their own safety near these events. And that was the point of the distinction that you seem to have taken issue with.

 

[EasternVol]

Sounds like it was a real party.

Wtf are those guys wearing MASKS!??

View attachment 727327

Yeah it got pretty messy.

 

[85SugarVol]

Ever wonder why the KKK wore hoods? Hint; it wasn’t to prevent covid

They obviously wear the masks and keffiyehs to inhibit identification.

But it’s not illegal to wear the mask, and the State can’t ban them.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a school tried to ban masks. Not sure if that would work.
You can’t wear a mask into a Bank. Some gas stations post signs that say “no masks inside”.

Have no idea how a Bank or Store banning masks would be viewed by the Courts if someone brought suit

 

[Orange_Crush]

They obviously wear the masks and keffiyehs to inhibit identification.

But it’s not illegal to wear the mask, and the State can’t ban them.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a school tried to ban masks. Not sure if that would work.
You can’t wear a mask into a Bank. Some gas stations post signs that say “no masks inside”.

Have no idea how a Bank or Store banning masks would be viewed by the Courts if someone brought suit

Private property; private rules. You can tell people not to enter your home naked. Hell, you could kick them out for wearing UGA gear.

 

[volfanhill]

They obviously wear the masks and keffiyehs to inhibit identification.

But it’s not illegal to wear the mask, and the State can’t ban them.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a school tried to ban masks. Not sure if that would work.
You can’t wear a mask into a Bank. Some gas stations post signs that say “no masks inside”.

Have no idea how a Bank or Store banning masks would be viewed by the Courts if someone brought suit

They are private business so the courts should STFU

 

[85SugarVol]

They are private business so the courts should STFU

Yea I would agree.

No idea how it might be viewed on a college campus. Years ago Ole Miss banned flag poles to prevent people from flying the Confederate flag. Not sure if anyone challenged that as a suppression of expression.

 

[volfanhill]

Yea I would agree.

No idea how it might be viewed on a college campus. Years ago Ole Miss banned flag poles to prevent people from flying the Confederate flag. Not sure if anyone challenged that as a suppression of expression.

Numerous court rulings support that a public university areas are a public space.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Numerous court rulings support that a public university common area is a public space.

The only hiccup could be federal funds putting them on the hook for federal rules...?

 

[volfanhill]

The only hiccup could be federal funds putting them on the hook for federal rules...?

Yes I agree that could be withheld. Fed teet is a biatch. But don't see how any public university can stop it

 

[85SugarVol]

Numerous court rulings support that a public university areas are a public space.

That’s true.

If a school can ban flags, can they ban masks, though? Certainly seems like both are an infringement on expression.

 

[volfanhill]

That’s true.

If a school can ban flags, can they ban masks, though? Certainly seems like both are an infringement on expression.

Agreed

 

[Orange_Crush]

That’s true.

If a school can ban flags, can they ban masks, though? Certainly seems like both are an infringement on expression.

Freedom of Expression/Speech pertains to gov't enforcement as opposed to private enforcement, no?

If you walk into a store or home cursing, you can be kicked out. If you walk into my home wearing an explicit shirt, I can tell you to leave. Heck, I can kick you out of my home for near any reason I want.

 

[EasternVol]

If they did, it would. Reports I have seen are that they are willing to negotiate, and Hamas' published, founding documents refuse such options. "From the river to the sea..." no?

How Palestine rejected offer to have its own state 5 times in the past - Law and Society Magazine.

If Israel just allowed the Palestinians to have a state of their own, there would be peace in the Middle East, right?That’s what you hear from ambassadors, European diplomats, and most college professors. But what if I told you that Israel has already offered the Palestinians a state of their...

lawandsocietymagazine.com

You missed my point. If the police in UK threaten to arrest Jews near these protests due to fear for their own safety, it's not unreasonable to think there may be examples when Jews fear for their own safety near these events. And that was the point of the distinction that you seem to have taken issue with.

Apparently some or many do, so ponder that. That's also a Likud saying.
Hamas' charter says Jews are welcome to live in the Palestinian state they envision, just fyi, as Israeli law says non-Jews there will be treated equally.
We're not in the UK. They're more of a nanny state than we are. The issue isn't fear, it's reasonable fear of a present threat.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Apparently some or many do, so ponder that. That's also a Likud saying.
Hamas' charter says Jews are welcome to live in the Palestinian state they envision, just fyi, as Israeli law says non-Jews there will be treated equally.
We're not in the UK. They're more of a nanny state than we are. The issue isn't fear, it's reasonable fear of a present threat.

So, Israel hasn't rejected a two-state solution. Thank you for agreeing to the answer to your question.