UT Playoff Path and Pitfalls (Post Week 11)

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For anyone that thinks Tennessee is a lock if they win out is still in for a big letdown if certain things were to happen. Believe it or not, they still need help IMO.

I'm going to outline their path and potential pitfalls below.

First and most obvious, UT must win the last two games against USCjr and Vandy. There's about a 98% chance they'll do that but it's still one of the obvious things that has to be done.

Secondly, and I think the biggest potential landmine to clear, is for Georgia to win out. Pundits are already hyping up LSU with two losses. There would be paths that LSU did not make the playoffs with two losses but I can guarantee you that if the path was clear otherwise (2 loss conference champs from the Pac 12 and ACC and TCU to lose a game) then UGA and LSU would both likely be in and they absolutely 1000% would not take 3 SEC teams so Tennessee would be out.

I've been saying that the Ohio State and Michigan game really needs to be a blowout either way. A blowout in favor of OSU would assure Michigan is toast. But a close game and other weirdness could get Michigan in the backdoor. I do have a wee bit of faith that the committee would take Tennessee over Michigan if they were having to choose between them but I would definitely be apprehensive of it. Now, if Michigan eeks out a win versus Ohio State I'm about 80% certain the committee would give OSU the nod over UT if they were both fighting for the 4th spot. And it's not because UT wouldn't deserve to be in but rather then it would be "SEC fatigue" and the committee wanting to show that if they take 2 teams from one conference it doesn't have to be 2 teams from the SEC.

TCU still really needs to lose. Them winning out makes Tennessee's path very hard. There would still be scenarios that UT misses the playoff even with a TCU loss. One of them would involve LSU beating UGA in the SECCG. But TCU losing is still very important and if they win out it becomes exponentially more complicated for UT to make the final 4.

Oregon got clipped but there are still threats out west. USC and UCLA either with only one loss would very likely jump Tennessee in the final standings. There's a lot of talk among the ESPN's of the world - and if you think their opinion doesn't matter I hate to tell you - that if USC/UCLA runs the table and win out they "deserve" a spot in the CFB playoff. Oregon losing was a big deal but USC still has only 1 loss and an inside track if they win out.

Do NOT sleep on the ACC champion either. I'm not putting it past a committee that changes their minds on a whim to really make the statement at the end of the season - everything else be damned - that a 1 loss conference champion deserves a spot in the CFB playoffs over a 1 loss non-conference winner. Clemson and North Carolina could either one sneak in and pass UT in the final standings if that happens.

The best scenario for UT is: UGA wins out, OSU beats down Michigan and wins out, TCU loses, and the Pac 12 OR ACC conference champion winds up with 2 losses.

That would put the CFB final standings IMO: 1) OSU 2) UGA 3) ACC/Pac 12 1 loss conference champion 4) Tennessee. My reasoning here is they'd swap OSU and UGA to keep UGA/UT from playing a first round game next year kind of like they've done in the past with UGA/Bama. Or it would be UGA 1, OSU 2, Tennessee 3, and ACC/Pac 12 1 loss conference champion as 4. Either way - just keeping UT/UGA away from each other in the first round.

UGA losing in the SECCG is a disaster scenario and IMO UT is out no matter what at that point as long as LSU is just a 2 loss conference champion. They'll leap UT with 2 losses and the committee would keep UGA in also.

TCU winning out makes UT in the mix for the 4th spot and in a big danger zone. In that scenario you really need OSU to destroy Michigan and BOTH the Pac 12 and ACC conference champions to have 2 losses. In that scenario the playoffs IMO would be 1) OSU 2) UGA 3) TCU 4) Tennessee

If either the Pac 12 or ACC has a champ with only one loss with undefeated teams of UGA, OSU, and TCU I think UT has a better shot at making it with a 1 loss ACC champion but I wouldn't put money on them getting in over a 1 loss ACC winner either. But still a much better shot than staying ahead of a 1 loss Pac 12 champ of either USC/UCLA.

There's another scenario where UGA wins out and TCU loses where UT could still be in trouble. That's if Michigan wins close over OSU and there's a 1 loss Pac 12 or ACC champion on the table also. Because they could go with something like 1) UGA 2) Michigan 3) USC/Clemson/UNC 4) Ohio State

Usually these things work themselves out and luckily Oregon got clipped to take them out of the equation this weekend. But there's still a lot of players left on the field that could stand in the way of UT making it to the CFB Playoffs. The biggest threat (which is so bizarre since we smoked them) is LSU winning out and beating UGA. That would lock UT out no matter what happens otherwise because they aren't putting 3 SEC teams in a 4 team playoff. It's just not going to happen.

And finally - this is all message board discussion and just my opinion. I'm not hanging on every word every pundit says but I really think if you are of the opinion that UT is in as long as they win out you could be in for a big letdown. I'm prepared for a scenario where they are the first or second team left out even with only one loss. And they'd be in the Sugar Bowl. And you know what? With the way things have went for over a decade yes it would be disappointing to not make the CFB playoff with only one loss but life goes on. And it would still have been an amazing year for UT football. Being back on the big stage and having a fun team to watch that can beat anyone on any given Saturday has made me realize why I have stuck by this team through the likes of Precious, the Trumpet Humper, and Coach Gomer.
 
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UCLA got clipped last night by Arizona, so that helps us and potentially hurts USC SOS. The only way an ACC champion gets in is if one blows out the other by 50. I just don’t see it. I thought last night TCU would stumble, they obviously did not. IMO they’re our greatest roadblock with 2 tough games left to play.
 
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UCLA got clipped last night by Arizona, so that helps us and potentially hurts USC SOS. The only way an ACC champion gets in is if one blows out the other by 50. I just don’t see it. I thought last night TCU would stumble, they obviously did not. IMO they’re our greatest roadblock with 2 tough games left to play.

Yes I'm not sure how I missed that. That does help a lot. Now they just need USC to get clipped and the Pac 12 is out. Then you just worry about ACC 1 loss UNC/Clemson
 
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I just don't understand how either Osu or Mich get in over us with a loss. Psu and ND and no where near the wins that Bama and Lsu are. I'd worry more about a 1 loss USC pac 12 champ then them. Only way I see it getting a little screwed is if Lsu beats Georgia and Tcu remains undefeated. We are sitting pretty.
 
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Bless your heart

This is not black and white and there's a lot of politics involved in all of this. I would LOVE for you to be right and even if everything goes wrong UT makes it. Because then they are in the CFB playoff. I just have a feeling that there's a lot of things that still need to happen to make sure there's no doubts. There's 1 disaster scenario and that's LSU beating UGA in the SECCG. That would KO UT. That should worry everyone.

And an undefeated UGA, Michigan, and TCU and a 1 loss USC and Clemson or North Carolina with a 1 loss OSU (with a close loss to Michigan) hanging out there would be a pretty bleak path also. Anyone who could sit here and say they would be 100% confident in UT making it in with this scenario I would like to be able to have that much faith. I'd venture to bet even those that think that right now - if it come down to something like this scenario - when they release those final CFB standings - you wouldn't be able to drive a splinter up their hind ends with a sledgehammer - awaiting those results that night.
 
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I just don't understand how either Osu or Mich get in over us with a loss. Psu and ND and no where near the wins that Bama and Lsu are. I'd worry more about a 1 loss USC pac 12 champ then them. Only way I see it getting a little screwed is if Lsu beats Georgia and Tcu remains undefeated. We are sitting pretty.

I don't think Michigan would unless they just have an absolute classic against OSU and it goes to 2 or 3 OTs and comes down to the wire. But Michigan eeking one out against OSU would definitely make things more uncomfortable. It makes sense to almost everyone that a 1 loss Tennessee would absolutely belong in over a 1 loss OSU but you don't want to put your faith in a committee that changes their parameters on a whim.
 
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It's just my opinion, but I don't think LSU beats Georgia. As much as I hate saying it, Georgia is most likely the best team right now. No way the committee puts LSU in the playoffs with 3 losses. I feel like Michigan is better than TOS, but I really hope the Wolverines lose, it only helps Tennessee's cause.
 
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And the playoff committee won’t move UGA from a #1 to a #2 just to keep them from playing UT in the first round. This was emphasized on SEC network this morning, and was attributed to a member of the committee’s comment.
 
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If TN wins out and LSU wins out and they put an LSU team that got a mud hole stomped in them at home by TN in front of TN, then they need to kick every member of the committee in the nads for hours on end and start over.

I don't disagree but that's what will happen IF LSU by some miracle upsets UGA. Because then here will be the "reasons" LSU belongs in. Imagine this in Kirk Herbstreit's voice for full effect:

1. LSU beat UGA who was the best team in the SEC East and the #1 team in the country. Tennessee didn't beat UGA. (Ignore TN beat LSU)

2. Well LSU "may" have 2 losses - and one of them may have been to Tennessee - but you know they've now won SEVEN in a row! And they beat Ole Miss, Alabama, and Georgia during that winning streak. Their loss to FSU was in the opening game of the year on a missed kick.

3. Tennessee didn't play in the conference title game. Doesn't an LSU team that BEAT the team that UT lost to not deserve to be in the CFB Playoff as the SEC champions?

4. The SEC really screwed over LSU by making their game against Tennessee a noon kickoff. Everyone knows that game would have been much different if it had been a hostile Baton Rouge night game.

5. Tennessee over the last few weeks of the season played some really weak teams in Missouri, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt. LSU was going out there every week after that Tennessee loss playing like every week was a playoff game. They knew they had no margin for error and did exactly what they needed to do to be in this conversation. LSU not making it into the CFB playoff as the SEC Conference Champion would be a complete travesty.

That's what they'll say.........
 
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TCU will have to go 12-0 and win the championship game to make it to the CFP, maybe Baylor can pull the upset or Kansas State in the championship game
 
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Yes I'm not sure how I missed that. That does help a lot. Now they just need USC to get clipped and the Pac 12 is out. Then you just worry about ACC 1 loss UNC/Clemson
I don’t think a 1 loss Big 12 or ACC team will get in over us. Clemson and UNC both got boat raced by a team that lost at home to Stanford and Marshall. UNC has basically squeaked by every other opponent they have played. The ACC Coastal is awful this year. NC State didn’t do Clemson and potentially UNC any favors losing to a terrible BC team last night. When it comes down to it, who has either team beaten that is any good at all?

That said, as hilarious as it was to see UK lose to Vandy, they really could've screwed us.
 
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Seriously, who cares at this point. We aren’t supposed to be here. We can only control what we are able. There is no use in hypotheticals at this point seeing as we still have plenty of football left for things to change
 
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Seriously, who cares at this point. We aren’t supposed to be here. We can only control what we are able. There is no use in hypotheticals at this point seeing as we still have plenty of football left for things to change

It's fun talking about it. We aren't supposed to be here. This is the first time in forever we are even in the conversation. And this is a discussion forum. So I was just discussing the scenarios. Just trying to discuss since that's the point of a discussion forum. And it's better to discuss how we can get into the playoff than to discuss which up and coming coach we are hoping to get after another season of disaster.
 
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The only way Clemson gets in is if the 4 teams ahead of them all have 2 losses, and in LSU’s case, 3 losses. I agree that TCU, USC, LSU, and the Mich/OSU loser all have paths to a playoff bid over us. We have to beat out 3 of those.
 
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I can’t waste my time with “ What If’s “. The Vols have two games left so let’s put up 66 on them. It’s been and epic year , a year I surly didn’t see happening and I’m couldn’t be more proud to be a Volunteer. Lets Go Baby 🍊
 
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Need one of Oregon/Utah to win out or UCLA to beat USC. All are possible and would mean a 2 loss PAC12 champ.
 
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I can’t state how much I disagree. It would take a miracle for us to not get on if we win out.
 
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I can’t state how much I disagree. It would take a miracle for us to not get on if we win out.

Your definitely entitled to your own opinion for sure. The biggest issue of all of the scenarios would be LSU beating UGA in the SEC Championship game though. That would be a KO punch. Gotta be huge Dawg fans that day whether we want to be or not.
 

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