UT Playoff Path and Pitfalls (Post Week 11)

#76
#76
Why do you think an 11-1 Ohio State that's been in the top 5 since pre-season and has been in the playoffs several recent years is going to be left out in favor of TN?

Strength of schedule is very similar between us and them.

Their loss would be to a #3 Michigan and our loss was to a (at the time) #3 GA.

Seriously, don't just say "star this post" and make pronouncements like you're God Almighty.....back it up with why you think TN gets in over Ohio State.

OSU with a loss has a much weaker resumé than us. Michigan definitely does.

OSU loses to #3 and finishes 11-1, has wins over #14 and #20
Tennessee at 11-1 has wins over #5 and #9

There is no rhyme or reason why OSU would stay in front of us with an 11-1 record and those "best wins" on their schedule. Especially when they end their season with a loss in the column while we end ours with a win in the column.

Tennessee is #5 and will stay in the Top #5 the rest of the way as long as we finish 11-1. We will not drop in rankings due to a team in front of us losing while we finish 3-0 to close the season. In a 2 v 3 matchup, the loser will drop to 5 or 6. I fully expect the rankings going into Conference Championship weekend to be as follows:

1-UGA
2-OSU/Michigan Winner
3- TCU (if 12-0)
4- Tennessee
5- LSU (if 10-2)
6- OSU/Michigan Loser
 
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#77
#77
Obviously, we need to win out. I think our biggest obstacle, is TCU. They have Baylor at Baylor and Iowa State left. Baylor could get them at home. .

TCU #18 SOS
TCU will likely beat Baylor & Iowa State but they still have to win the Big 12 Championship likely K-State
TCU won by 10 vs K STATE - maybe they don't win again. TCU has 3 wins by one TD or less and 3 by 10 points
09/02 Colorado 1-11 W 38-13
09/10 Tarleton State 5-5 W 59-17

09/24 S Methodist 6-6 W 42-34
10/01 Oklahoma 5-7 W 55-24
10/08 Kansas 6-6 W 38-31 7 points
10/15 Oklahoma St 9-3 W 43-40 3 points
10/22 Kansas St 9-3 W 38-28

10/29 W Virginia 4-8 W 41-31
11/05 Texas Tech 6-6 W 34-24
11/12 Texas 7-5 W 17-10 7 points
11/19 @Baylor 7-5 12:00 pm
11/26 Iowa State 4-8 12:00 pm
 
#78
#78
OSU with a loss has a much weaker resumé than us. Michigan definitely does.

OSU loses to #3 and finishes 11-1, has wins over #14 and #20
Tennessee at 11-1 has wins over #5 and #9

There is no rhyme or reason why OSU would stay in front of us with an 11-1 record and those "best wins" on their schedule. Especially when they end their season with a loss in the column while we end ours with a win in the column.

Tennessee is #5 and will stay in the Top #5 the rest of the way as long as we finish 11-1. We will not drop in rankings due to a team in front of us losing while we finish 3-0 to close the season. In a 2 v 3 matchup, the loser will drop to 5 or 6. I fully expect the rankings going into Conference Championship weekend to be as follows:

1-UGA
2-OSU/Michigan Winner
3- TCU (if 12-0)
4- Tennessee
5- LSU (if 10-2)
6- OSU/Michigan Loser
Thanks. I see your reasoning. My concern is our SOS is similar to Ohio State, overall.

Ohio State, like it or not...... and I don't, is the Bama of the north and can get a "cushion" for a Michigan loss if it's close. The so called "good loss."

A two loss LSU (including our absolute destruction of them at their house,) even winning the SEC, ranking higher than a tOSU team that lost a squeaker to MI is a little "It just means more" than I think the rest of the football world sees it. LSU has looked good in the last few weeks but not that good.

It's only a sight edge, IMO, that separates TN from tOSU if "The Game" is really close. Agree 100% that a MI loss (and everyone else taking care of business) would be a lock. MI MUST win or they'll be out.

I'll just feel a lot better if RapeU upsets TCU and Stroud throws 3 picks but Ohio State still boatraces Michigan.
 
#79
#79
I don't disagree but that's what will happen IF LSU by some miracle upsets UGA. Because then here will be the "reasons" LSU belongs in. Imagine this in Kirk Herbstreit's voice for full effect:

1. LSU beat UGA who was the best team in the SEC East and the #1 team in the country. Tennessee didn't beat UGA. (Ignore TN beat LSU)

2. Well LSU "may" have 2 losses - and one of them may have been to Tennessee - but you know they've now won SEVEN in a row! And they beat Ole Miss, Alabama, and Georgia during that winning streak. Their loss to FSU was in the opening game of the year on a missed kick.

3. Tennessee didn't play in the conference title game. Doesn't an LSU team that BEAT the team that UT lost to not deserve to be in the CFB Playoff as the SEC champions?

4. The SEC really screwed over LSU by making their game against Tennessee a noon kickoff. Everyone knows that game would have been much different if it had been a hostile Baton Rouge night game.

5. Tennessee over the last few weeks of the season played some really weak teams in Missouri, South Carolina, and Vanderbilt. LSU was going out there every week after that Tennessee loss playing like every week was a playoff game. They knew they had no margin for error and did exactly what they needed to do to be in this conversation. LSU not making it into the CFB playoff as the SEC Conference Champion would be a complete travesty.

That's what they'll say.........

That would be the biggest screw job since the Woodson Heisman campaign.
 
#80
#80
For anyone that thinks Tennessee is a lock if they win out is still in for a big letdown if certain things were to happen. Believe it or not, they still need help IMO.

I'm going to outline their path and potential pitfalls below.

First and most obvious, UT must win the last two games against USCjr and Vandy. There's about a 98% chance they'll do that but it's still one of the obvious things that has to be done.

Secondly, and I think the biggest potential landmine to clear, is for Georgia to win out. Pundits are already hyping up LSU with two losses. There would be paths that LSU did not make the playoffs with two losses but I can guarantee you that if the path was clear otherwise (2 loss conference champs from the Pac 12 and ACC and TCU to lose a game) then UGA and LSU would both likely be in and they absolutely 1000% would not take 3 SEC teams so Tennessee would be out.

I've been saying that the Ohio State and Michigan game really needs to be a blowout either way. A blowout in favor of OSU would assure Michigan is toast. But a close game and other weirdness could get Michigan in the backdoor. I do have a wee bit of faith that the committee would take Tennessee over Michigan if they were having to choose between them but I would definitely be apprehensive of it. Now, if Michigan eeks out a win versus Ohio State I'm about 80% certain the committee would give OSU the nod over UT if they were both fighting for the 4th spot. And it's not because UT wouldn't deserve to be in but rather then it would be "SEC fatigue" and the committee wanting to show that if they take 2 teams from one conference it doesn't have to be 2 teams from the SEC.

TCU still really needs to lose. Them winning out makes Tennessee's path very hard. There would still be scenarios that UT misses the playoff even with a TCU loss. One of them would involve LSU beating UGA in the SECCG. But TCU losing is still very important and if they win out it becomes exponentially more complicated for UT to make the final 4.

Oregon got clipped but there are still threats out west. USC and UCLA either with only one loss would very likely jump Tennessee in the final standings. There's a lot of talk among the ESPN's of the world - and if you think their opinion doesn't matter I hate to tell you - that if USC/UCLA runs the table and win out they "deserve" a spot in the CFB playoff. Oregon losing was a big deal but USC still has only 1 loss and an inside track if they win out.

Do NOT sleep on the ACC champion either. I'm not putting it past a committee that changes their minds on a whim to really make the statement at the end of the season - everything else be damned - that a 1 loss conference champion deserves a spot in the CFB playoffs over a 1 loss non-conference winner. Clemson and North Carolina could either one sneak in and pass UT in the final standings if that happens.

The best scenario for UT is: UGA wins out, OSU beats down Michigan and wins out, TCU loses, and the Pac 12 OR ACC conference champion winds up with 2 losses.

That would put the CFB final standings IMO: 1) OSU 2) UGA 3) ACC/Pac 12 1 loss conference champion 4) Tennessee. My reasoning here is they'd swap OSU and UGA to keep UGA/UT from playing a first round game next year kind of like they've done in the past with UGA/Bama. Or it would be UGA 1, OSU 2, Tennessee 3, and ACC/Pac 12 1 loss conference champion as 4. Either way - just keeping UT/UGA away from each other in the first round.

UGA losing in the SECCG is a disaster scenario and IMO UT is out no matter what at that point as long as LSU is just a 2 loss conference champion. They'll leap UT with 2 losses and the committee would keep UGA in also.

TCU winning out makes UT in the mix for the 4th spot and in a big danger zone. In that scenario you really need OSU to destroy Michigan and BOTH the Pac 12 and ACC conference champions to have 2 losses. In that scenario the playoffs IMO would be 1) OSU 2) UGA 3) TCU 4) Tennessee

If either the Pac 12 or ACC has a champ with only one loss with undefeated teams of UGA, OSU, and TCU I think UT has a better shot at making it with a 1 loss ACC champion but I wouldn't put money on them getting in over a 1 loss ACC winner either. But still a much better shot than staying ahead of a 1 loss Pac 12 champ of either USC/UCLA.

There's another scenario where UGA wins out and TCU loses where UT could still be in trouble. That's if Michigan wins close over OSU and there's a 1 loss Pac 12 or ACC champion on the table also. Because they could go with something like 1) UGA 2) Michigan 3) USC/Clemson/UNC 4) Ohio State

Usually these things work themselves out and luckily Oregon got clipped to take them out of the equation this weekend. But there's still a lot of players left on the field that could stand in the way of UT making it to the CFB Playoffs. The biggest threat (which is so bizarre since we smoked them) is LSU winning out and beating UGA. That would lock UT out no matter what happens otherwise because they aren't putting 3 SEC teams in a 4 team playoff. It's just not going to happen.

And finally - this is all message board discussion and just my opinion. I'm not hanging on every word every pundit says but I really think if you are of the opinion that UT is in as long as they win out you could be in for a big letdown. I'm prepared for a scenario where they are the first or second team left out even with only one loss. And they'd be in the Sugar Bowl. And you know what? With the way things have went for over a decade yes it would be disappointing to not make the CFB playoff with only one loss but life goes on. And it would still have been an amazing year for UT football. Being back on the big stage and having a fun team to watch that can beat anyone on any given Saturday has made me realize why I have stuck by this team through the likes of Precious, the Trumpet Humper, and Coach Gomer.
I dont think ive seen anyone saying we are a lock.


PS

That was a very wordy "outline".
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#82
#82
Lsu with 2 losses ,one of which was a beat down by us, it would be hard for them to put them in over us, few years back penn state won the big 10 but didn't make the playoffs Ohio state did. I do believe we're one of the top 4 teams out there
 
#83
#83
Lsu with 2 losses ,one of which was a beat down by us, it would be hard for them to put them in over us, few years back penn state won the big 10 but didn't make the playoffs Ohio state did. I do believe we're one of the top 4 teams out there

I agree. But I believe LSU's chances at the playoff only exist with 3 SEC teams in the playoff. For that to happen, TCU needs to drop a game and LSU needs to stay ranked ahead of a 1 loss USC going into Conference Championship Weekend.

Since Tennessee is locked in the playoff with UGA. That leaves winner of OSU/Michigan for a spot. If TCU loses any of their 3 last games, they are toast. That leaves 1 Loss PAC12 champ or 11-2 LSU if they win in Atlanta.

Not sure how a Top 5/6 LSU with 2 losses with a win over #1 UGA doesn't get a rankings bump into the 4th and final spot over a 1 loss PAC12 champ.


I don't think LSU wins in Atlanta, but their road to the playoff really only needs one more team, TCU, to lose for them to have a "play their way in" scenario to happen.

LSU getting in the playoff would mean we would have a "First Ever" playoff this year in regards to 3 teams from one conference and a 2 loss team making it in.
 
#84
#84
I appreciate everyone's opinion and we can agree to disagree if they don't line up. And no, I can't say 100% sure anything, but I could be as sure as I possibly could be without actually knowing that the committee would never ever put 3 SEC teams in a 4 team playoff. When it goes to 12 I could see it but not at 4.
 

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