UT Playoff Path and Pitfalls (Post Week 11)

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Your definitely entitled to your own opinion for sure. The biggest issue of all of the scenarios would be LSU beating UGA in the SEC Championship game though. That would be a KO punch. Gotta be huge Dawg fans that day whether we want to be or not.

I think that is the toughest scenario, but even that isn’t cut and dry. I don’t know that automatically places us below them. Beyond that, I think we would be 3rd by that stage (I have TCU losing a game).

I think too many have Battered Vol syndrome where they are looking for a reason to think something horrible will happen
 
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Bless your heart
He’s not wrong. Imagine if Ohio State Michigan is a game that goes into overtime then one squeaks out the win especially if it’s Michigan. Tcu and Georgia will both get in if they’re undefeated. I think you can imagine us getting screwed over if ohio state has one close loss.

Really tcu needs to lose and the ohio state Michigan game needs to be a blowout. Then we’re in for sure imo. USC could in theory screw us but I would think they’re too low now.
 
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He’s not wrong. Imagine if Ohio State Michigan is a game that goes into overtime then one squeaks out the win especially if it’s Michigan. Tcu and Georgia will both get in if they’re undefeated. I think you can imagine us getting screwed over if ohio state has one close loss.

Really tcu needs to lose and the ohio state Michigan game needs to be a blowout. Then we’re in for sure imo. USC could in theory screw us but I would think they’re too low now.

We are going to be in the playoff if we finish 11-1. OSU/Michigan loser will fall to the #6 spot if TCU and LSU don't lose between now and then.

I'm not sure how everyone is getting worked up about this. 11-1 Vols are a lock for the playoff.
 
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For anyone that thinks Tennessee is a lock if they win out is still in for a big letdown if certain things were to happen. Believe it or not, they still need help IMO.

I'm going to outline their path and potential pitfalls below.

First and most obvious, UT must win the last two games against USCjr and Vandy. There's about a 98% chance they'll do that but it's still one of the obvious things that has to be done.

Secondly, and I think the biggest potential landmine to clear, is for Georgia to win out. Pundits are already hyping up LSU with two losses. There would be paths that LSU did not make the playoffs with two losses but I can guarantee you that if the path was clear otherwise (2 loss conference champs from the Pac 12 and ACC and TCU to lose a game) then UGA and LSU would both likely be in and they absolutely 1000% would not take 3 SEC teams so Tennessee would be out.

I've been saying that the Ohio State and Michigan game really needs to be a blowout either way. A blowout in favor of OSU would assure Michigan is toast. But a close game and other weirdness could get Michigan in the backdoor. I do have a wee bit of faith that the committee would take Tennessee over Michigan if they were having to choose between them but I would definitely be apprehensive of it. Now, if Michigan eeks out a win versus Ohio State I'm about 80% certain the committee would give OSU the nod over UT if they were both fighting for the 4th spot. And it's not because UT wouldn't deserve to be in but rather then it would be "SEC fatigue" and the committee wanting to show that if they take 2 teams from one conference it doesn't have to be 2 teams from the SEC.

TCU still really needs to lose. Them winning out makes Tennessee's path very hard. There would still be scenarios that UT misses the playoff even with a TCU loss. One of them would involve LSU beating UGA in the SECCG. But TCU losing is still very important and if they win out it becomes exponentially more complicated for UT to make the final 4.

Oregon got clipped but there are still threats out west. USC and UCLA either with only one loss would very likely jump Tennessee in the final standings. There's a lot of talk among the ESPN's of the world - and if you think their opinion doesn't matter I hate to tell you - that if USC/UCLA runs the table and win out they "deserve" a spot in the CFB playoff. Oregon losing was a big deal but USC still has only 1 loss and an inside track if they win out.

Do NOT sleep on the ACC champion either. I'm not putting it past a committee that changes their minds on a whim to really make the statement at the end of the season - everything else be damned - that a 1 loss conference champion deserves a spot in the CFB playoffs over a 1 loss non-conference winner. Clemson and North Carolina could either one sneak in and pass UT in the final standings if that happens.

The best scenario for UT is: UGA wins out, OSU beats down Michigan and wins out, TCU loses, and the Pac 12 OR ACC conference champion winds up with 2 losses.

That would put the CFB final standings IMO: 1) OSU 2) UGA 3) ACC/Pac 12 1 loss conference champion 4) Tennessee. My reasoning here is they'd swap OSU and UGA to keep UGA/UT from playing a first round game next year kind of like they've done in the past with UGA/Bama. Or it would be UGA 1, OSU 2, Tennessee 3, and ACC/Pac 12 1 loss conference champion as 4. Either way - just keeping UT/UGA away from each other in the first round.

UGA losing in the SECCG is a disaster scenario and IMO UT is out no matter what at that point as long as LSU is just a 2 loss conference champion. They'll leap UT with 2 losses and the committee would keep UGA in also.

TCU winning out makes UT in the mix for the 4th spot and in a big danger zone. In that scenario you really need OSU to destroy Michigan and BOTH the Pac 12 and ACC conference champions to have 2 losses. In that scenario the playoffs IMO would be 1) OSU 2) UGA 3) TCU 4) Tennessee

If either the Pac 12 or ACC has a champ with only one loss with undefeated teams of UGA, OSU, and TCU I think UT has a better shot at making it with a 1 loss ACC champion but I wouldn't put money on them getting in over a 1 loss ACC winner either. But still a much better shot than staying ahead of a 1 loss Pac 12 champ of either USC/UCLA.

There's another scenario where UGA wins out and TCU loses where UT could still be in trouble. That's if Michigan wins close over OSU and there's a 1 loss Pac 12 or ACC champion on the table also. Because they could go with something like 1) UGA 2) Michigan 3) USC/Clemson/UNC 4) Ohio State

Usually these things work themselves out and luckily Oregon got clipped to take them out of the equation this weekend. But there's still a lot of players left on the field that could stand in the way of UT making it to the CFB Playoffs. The biggest threat (which is so bizarre since we smoked them) is LSU winning out and beating UGA. That would lock UT out no matter what happens otherwise because they aren't putting 3 SEC teams in a 4 team playoff. It's just not going to happen.

And finally - this is all message board discussion and just my opinion. I'm not hanging on every word every pundit says but I really think if you are of the opinion that UT is in as long as they win out you could be in for a big letdown. I'm prepared for a scenario where they are the first or second team left out even with only one loss. And they'd be in the Sugar Bowl. And you know what? With the way things have went for over a decade yes it would be disappointing to not make the CFB playoff with only one loss but life goes on. And it would still have been an amazing year for UT football. Being back on the big stage and having a fun team to watch that can beat anyone on any given Saturday has made me realize why I have stuck by this team through the likes of Precious, the Trumpet Humper, and Coach Gomer.

my head is swimming and I’m dizzy
 
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I’m not worried in the least about LSU. They still suck as far as I’m concerned and will be exposed against Georgia
 
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We are going to be in the playoff if we finish 11-1. OSU/Michigan loser will fall to the #6 spot if TCU and LSU don't lose between now and then.

I'm not sure how everyone is getting worked up about this. 11-1 Vols are a lock for the playoff.
I’m telling you if you think we’re a lock right now if we win out you’re not thinking clearly. I do think percentages certainly favor us getting in. I’m not super worried either way this team will do everything it needs and is one of the best teams in the country. If we end up in the sugar bowl it bc we got screwed hard.
 
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He’s not wrong. Imagine if Ohio State Michigan is a game that goes into overtime then one squeaks out the win especially if it’s Michigan. Tcu and Georgia will both get in if they’re undefeated. I think you can imagine us getting screwed over if ohio state has one close loss.

Really tcu needs to lose and the ohio state Michigan game needs to be a blowout. Then we’re in for sure imo. USC could in theory screw us but I would think they’re too low now.

Michigan especially I don’t think this “close loss” argument holds much water.

They have the 4th worst SOS in the entire Power 5.

They played a ridiculously easy non con.

That means you win or you are out. The committee isn’t going to reward a team that played a horrible schedule with close losses and no big wins.
 
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I’m telling you if you think we’re a lock right now if we win out you’re not thinking clearly. I do think percentages certainly favor us getting in. I’m not super worried either way this team will do everything it needs and is one of the best teams in the country. If we end up in the sugar bowl it bc we got screwed hard.

I don’t think we are a lock…. I know we are a lock. Star this post.
 
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Only team I’m worried about now is USC. TCU doesn’t have to lose for TN to get in. The loser of OSU/UM are finished. Their SOS is garbage
 
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Michigan especially I don’t think this “close loss” argument holds much water.

They have the 4th worst SOS in the entire Power 5.

They played a ridiculously easy non con.

That means you win or you are out. The committee isn’t going to reward a team that played a horrible schedule with close losses and no big wins.
And by the rules set by the committee in the past you would be absolutely right.
 
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First I just have to acknowledge how wonderful it is to be in the middle of speculation and strategy discussions that involve the playoffs and Tennessee. Hard to believe we’re here just two seasons after the final year of the Pruitt debacle. I’m so happy!

My primary feedback on this discussion is that even if LSU were to beat Georgia and win the conf championship game, I find it hard to believe they would move ahead of us. I might feel differently if we had not played them head-to-head. But it would be very difficult for the committee to defend putting a 2-loss LSU ahead of a one-loss Tennessee team that demolished them at Death Valley. Over time they have shown they really value head-to-head data points and they would look so foolish not giving Tennessee the nod.
 
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How many threads are there going to be to say the same things over and over.

Let's leave it at this - if we win out, some schiit still probably has to happen to get in, but less now than last night. And the dominoes will continue to fall over the next 2-3 weeks.

How the committee feels will be anyone's guess, but it is probably better than even money that we will be one of anywhere from 2-4 schools being considered for the final two spots after Georgia and the Ohio State-Michigan winner.
 
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I don’t think we are a lock…. I know we are a lock. Star this post.

If the records at the end of the year happen to be this do you honestly still think UT is a lock? FYI this is the biggest disaster scenario left on the table and very unlikely but in theory could happen

Michigan 13-0 (beats OSU by 1-7 points)
TCU - 13-0
UGA - 12-1 (loss to LSU in SECCG)
USC - 12-1 (Pac 12 Conference Champion)
Clemson 12-1 (ACC Conference Champion)
OSU 11-1 (only loss to undefeated Michigan)
Tennessee 11-1 (only loss to SEC runner-up UGA)
LSU - 11-2 (losses to FSU/TN but SEC Champs)
 
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If the records at the end of the year happen to be this do you honestly still think UT is a lock? FYI this is the biggest disaster scenario left on the table and very unlikely but in theory could happen

Michigan 13-0 (beats OSU by 1-7 points)
TCU - 13-0
UGA - 12-1 (loss to LSU in SECCG)
USC - 12-1 (Pac 12 Conference Champion)
Clemson 12-1 (ACC Conference Champion)
OSU 11-1 (only loss to undefeated Michigan)
Tennessee 11-1 (only loss to SEC runner-up UGA)
LSU - 11-2 (losses to FSU/TN but SEC Champs)

Tennessee at 11-1 is going to the playoff. Star this.
 
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Kansas State can assuredly beat TCU. Don’t think Baylor or Iowa State can pull it off but possible. USC should lose another game and close the book on the PAC 12.

If OSU beats Michigan soundly, Michigan is done. Tennessee’s problem is their weak effort vs. Georgia after all the big buildup. If Tennessee had competed into the third quarter regardless of final score, the thought process could be different. They looked completely outclassed and may not get benefit of the doubt in a pickem situation. Also it could be argued that they do not deserve a rematch. However, we have seen Clemson, Oregon and UCLA fall out. There are strong scenarios for Tennessee to be top 4 and with them playing exciting offense and featuring Hooker - I think their chances to get in are at least 50%.
 
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Michigan especially I don’t think this “close loss” argument holds much water.

They have the 4th worst SOS in the entire Power 5.

They played a ridiculously easy non con.

That means you win or you are out. The committee isn’t going to reward a team that played a horrible schedule with close losses and no big wins.
This is correct. If I’m on the committee, I’m not putting Michigan in if they go undefeated. They weren’t even trying when they put that schedule together.
 
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This isn't complicated. The real risks to Tennessee's CFP bid are simple. I'll even rank them to help out.

1. A loss.
2. TCU 13-0 as Big 12 Champion
3. Any one-loss version of Ohio State
4. USC 12-1 and PAC10 Champion
5. 11-2 LSU as SEC Champion
6. 11-1 Michigan

See? Not complicated. That's all there is. Clemson hasn't done enough with its pasty schedule to jump Tennessee. Oregon and UCLA both lost. Alabama can't win the SECCG to backdoor its way in either. So that's it.

This isn't complicated.
 
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He’s not wrong. Imagine if Ohio State Michigan is a game that goes into overtime then one squeaks out the win especially if it’s Michigan.
Yep. There's no guarantee that an 11-1 UT will finish above an 11-1 OSU/MI game loser.
 
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He’s not wrong. Imagine if Ohio State Michigan is a game that goes into overtime then one squeaks out the win especially if it’s Michigan. Tcu and Georgia will both get in if they’re undefeated. I think you can imagine us getting screwed over if ohio state has one close loss.

Really tcu needs to lose and the ohio state Michigan game needs to be a blowout. Then we’re in for sure imo. USC could in theory screw us but I would think they’re too low now.
Michigan has no chance to get in over Tennessee if they lose in Columbus. They’d have one quality victory, Penn State, of the course of the entire season.
 
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This isn't complicated. The real risks to Tennessee's CFP bid are simple. I'll even rank them to help out.

1. A loss.
2. TCU 13-0 as Big 12 Champion
3. Any one-loss version of Ohio State
4. USC 12-1 and PAC10 Champion
5. 11-2 LSU as SEC Champion
6. 11-1 Michigan

See? Not complicated. That's all there is. Clemson hasn't done enough with its pasty schedule to jump Tennessee. Oregon and UCLA both lost. Alabama can't win the SECCG to backdoor its way in either. So that's it.

This isn't complicated.

I think the controversy is where on this list people are getting worried.

I’m not that worried at all about 4 or 6 on this list.

3 and 5 would be interesting but I think we would be fine.

1 and 2 are obvious
 
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Among the millions of potential viewers whose own team will not be in the playoffs, are they more likely to watch to see a regional or same-conference team (which they may root against), or watch to see something exciting and unusual?

Our BVS may lead us to undervalue the eye-candy appeal of our offense among the vast, unaligned viewership.

Plus, people with no competing loyalties can be attracted by storylines like the underdog, the comeback, or the humbled returning to greatness.
 
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We are going to be in the playoff if we finish 11-1. OSU/Michigan loser will fall to the #6 spot if TCU and LSU don't lose between now and then.

I'm not sure how everyone is getting worked up about this. 11-1 Vols are a lock for the playoff.
No one is worked up but they seem that way because you're in every thread claiming it's a lock. And it's not.
 

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