UT Recruiting : Square Peg in a Round Hole....

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tigervol9802 said:
If you take away two recruiting classes Saban would have been comparatively walking in to late 80s/early 90s Jimmy Johnson Miami talent at Bama compared to what a coach would walk into here in that scenario.
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Yeah because Bama was going places under Shula, get out of here with that garbage.
 
#27
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Cartervol said:
Shula wasn't taking them anywhere, they did what they needed to do and look at them now. Same thing with Florida and Zook. We unfortunately turned to a flaky, fast talking idiot from out west to fix our problem and he screwed us. The Dooley hire just seems like a tire patch to me, but we'll see.
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I'd say Lane's hire was more like a tire patch, and Dooley's hire is more like getting a new brand of tire you are unfamiliar with.
 
#30
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Cartervol said:
Yeah because Bama was going places under Shula, get out of here with that garbage.
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Bama was going nowhere with Shula, but there was at least consistent top 20ish talent there when Saban came in to start with. That would not have been the case here under the interim coach for a season scenario.
 
#33
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tigervol9802 said:
Bama was going nowhere with Shula, but there was at least consistent top 20ish talent there when Saban came in to start with. That would not have been the case here under the interim coach for a season scenario.
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Let's just say i don't want to have to wait around 4 years to find out if Dooley will work out or not. I don;t think he gets that long anyway. It goes south bad for a couple of years it's going to be a whole new set of people making the rules. All that cash they all seem to love so dearly will dry up and then they'll chop some heads off.
 
#34
#34
Cartervol said:
Let's just say i don't want to have to wait around 4 years to find out if Dooley will work out or not. I don;t think he gets that long anyway. It goes south bad for a couple of years it's going to be a whole new set of people making the rules. All that cash they all seem to love so dearly will dry up and then they'll chop some heads off.
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After the previous 2 seasons results, I don't think that the major money players felt very safe with trying to invest the amount of money it probably needed to in order to get the quality coach that some of the fan base wants. Not every big name coach will have the same results at different programs, IMO. You put Urban Meyer in Bama, and I don't believe he wins like he does in Florida.
 
#35
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Cartervol said:
Let's just say i don't want to have to wait around 4 years to find out if Dooley will work out or not. I don;t think he gets that long anyway. It goes south bad for a couple of years it's going to be a whole new set of people making the rules. All that cash they all seem to love so dearly will dry up and then they'll chop some heads off.
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He's got through 2012 whether people like it or not and we'll probably have a good enough idea after 2011 as to where we are going.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
After the previous 2 seasons results, I don't think that the major money players felt very safe with trying to invest the amount of money it probably needed to in order to get the quality coach that some of the fan base wants. Not every big name coach will have the same results at different programs, IMO. You put Urban Meyer in Bama, and I don't believe he wins like he does in Florida.
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You're right. From a character standpoint Dooley is a better fit than Kiffin, may not matter in the win lose column though.
 
#37
#37
g8terh8ter_eric said:
After the previous 2 seasons results, I don't think that the major money players felt very safe with trying to invest the amount of money it probably needed to in order to get the quality coach that some of the fan base wants. Not every big name coach will have the same results at different programs, IMO. You put Urban Meyer in Bama, and I don't believe he wins like he does in Florida.
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1) I don't think it was about money on the last hire, The timing and situation were just awful and the field was severely limited.

2) Good coaches can coach anywhere.
 
#38
#38
tigervol9802 said:
He's got through 2012 whether people like it or not and we'll probably have a good enough idea after 2011 as to where we are going.
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These kids are going to have to grow up fast. I guess the best thing is Florida and Georgia are both breaking in new QB's. No Tebow around this year. New QB and new Oline is a scary thought though. Stock the liquor cabinet this year.
 
#39
#39
GAVol said:
1) I don't think it was about money on the last hire, The timing and situation were just awful and the field was severely limited.

2) Good coaches can coach anywhere.
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I just don't think that his system would work that well at Bama because of it's recruiting base. Big, strong, and physical players are what Bama is known for, not small, fast, finesse players like what Meyer has at Florida currently. Based on what Bama pulls from in talent, I don't think that Meyer would have an easy time winning there, as Saban does.
 
#40
#40
Carter sorry your so unhappy with our "state of the union" ,two years will not be enough time to straighten out the mess we're in. Truth is the mess started back in 98 with the wrong replacement for O.C., if CPF hires a compatent O.C.,instead of R.S. this whole mess could have been avoided. The major fault of CPF was his loyalty to sh**y ass. coaches. We have a good coach with some really good ass. coaches (some I don't know much about saving opp.on them) you and some see doom & gloom,I see a bright future with a possible quicker return than others. I may be the fool here but I hope not. Either way they are and always will be my beloved VOLS.
 
#41
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I just don't think that his system would work that well at Bama because of it's recruiting base. Big, strong, and physical players are what Bama is known for, not small, fast, finesse players like what Meyer has at Florida currently. Based on what Bama pulls from in talent, I don't think that Meyer would have an easy time winning there, as Saban does.
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Do you not think that maybe just maybe if Meyer was at Alabama they'd be recruiting guys to fit the Meyer system rather than the Saban system?

. . . and even if Meyer couldn't get the same athletes, it's not as if he's an idiot that can only coach football at one speed. He'd adapt his offense just like he did when he won a national title with Chris Leak.
 
#42
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GAVol said:
D you not think that maybe just maybe if Meyer was at Alabama they'd be recruiting guys to fit the Meyer system rather than the Saban system?

. . . and even if Meyer couldn't get the same athletes, it's not as if he's an idiot that can only coach football at one speed. He'd adapt his offense just like he did when he won a national title with Chris Leak.
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He won a NC with Chris Leak, because of all those other athletes around him. I just can't forsee him getting the players he would need based on the historic Bama recruiting model. Meyer's success at Florida is because of his recruiting base, and the fact he uses all those guys in space. He might win at Bama, but it would be harder than at Florida, IMO.
 
#43
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I just don't think that his system would work that well at Bama because of it's recruiting base. Big, strong, and physical players are what Bama is known for, not small, fast, finesse players like what Meyer has at Florida currently. Based on what Bama pulls from in talent, I don't think that Meyer would have an easy time winning there, as Saban does.
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It definitely won't fit Meyer's style there. Never work anyway, the bammers would be confused on what's actually happening. They're used to the QB taking the snap and handing it to bubba. Start running all that reverse stuff and trick plays, the bammers would riot and set everybody's front porch couch on fire for 200 miles.:)
 
#44
#44
g8terh8ter_eric said:
As we have all seen, Dooley's recruiting plan may not be geared towards the less patient fan at all, but in fact patience is something that we need to get our arms around because this isn't going to be an easy task to get UT back to the top of the SEC, where it belongs in this fan's eyes. I want to take a bit to examine some of Coach Dooley's quotes from a recent GVX article, which seem to be misinterpreted by some of our members at best.

Quote #1
This quote probably doesn't sit well with the "I want it now" crowd, but Coach Dooley is exactly right where he is going with the recruiting process. We want to form classes that can be accountable with one another, and that will mesh in character and ability together. That doesn't mean that we take all marginal players or blue chippers, instead I think it means that you take players that can motivate one another to be better everyday.

Quote #2
Once again, Coach Dooley is right on the money with this quote. All he is saying here is you take some risks with the higher rated guys because of potential, but you don't take the same risks with the lower tier guys, because it's not worth the risk if they aren't going to help you in some aspect of the game.

Quote #3
Here is one that can be quickly misinterpreted without thinking about it first. All he is saying here is that he wants players to bleed orange, highly rated or not. He wants leaders, not followers, and that's what a team sport is about.

Quote #4
Yet again, Dooley is sending the message that he doesn't want kids who don't want to be a part of a program from the get go. He wants kids that will be here for the right reasons, not just to get to the league, which this staff has plenty of practice providing that service as well. He wants to recruit the RIGHT kids to UT, and that's going to be a balance of risk and character.

Quote #5
I love this in a coach. He doesn't care what people think, instead he wants to work and prove himself. Winning the opinion poll didn't work for this team last year, as they finished 7-6 and had more mishaps and violations than they did wins. Coach Dooley wants to work for approval, and has done this all his life by making his own way, which some of our fans don't agree because of his last coaching gig in the WAC. Coach Dooley will work for UT, not himself, as he understands that you must make the school the focal point of recruiting, and not the coaches.

So, in all reality, Coach Dooley is not looking for square peg in a round hole, but is instead looking for the best fit in players for this team and this school. I have seen plenty of highly rated kids never contribute here at UT in the past few years, and honestly I am tired of it. Yet, we will have a walk-on as our starting MLB, and one of our former coaches seemed to think that he had NFL ability. So, it's all going to be a balancing act, and finding those players that fit well together, highly rated and character guys alike. So, be patient, and even if Coach Dooley doesn't work out over time, at least some stability can somewhat be brought back to The Hill.

Have a great rest of the evening VN. :hi:
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You forgot one more misinterpretation...

Tennessee to focus recruiting efforts on 3 hour driving radius
 
#45
#45
Cartervol said:
It definitely won't fit Meyer's style there. Never work anyway, the bammers would be confused on what's actually happening. They're used to the QB taking the snap and handing it to bubba. Start running all that reverse stuff and trick plays, the bammers would riot and set everybody's front porch couch on fire for 200 miles.:)
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This is true, at least in Tennessee we have mattresses for beds that we can set on fire.
 
#47
#47
Cartervol said:
That's why to me it's a puzzling hire. I was all for keeping Kippy as interim until a better time was available for a coaching search. It didn't end up bad though and Dooley pulled some good kids. Overall it's still not where we want it. Maybe Urban has another bout of insanity or someone backs a dump truck full of money up to Saban's door. I've been kind of guilty of tuning out here lately. I'm sick of the way things are run up there and i'm not writing them a check for a long time. Not until hammy's gone at least.
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Amen!

I've been saying for a year now that the problems start and end with MH.
 
#48
#48
There is just one thing that you did not factor into the equation. That is a possible .500 record this upcoming season. Those are never good for a rebuilding team, such as UT, and they are the best friend of an opposing teams head coach during the recruiting process. You are an elite player. Where would you rather go? A project team that is in rebuild mode trying to break in an unproven head coach? Or the defending national champions? Pretty strong point if you ask me.
codyg10 said:
I will admit I have been very anti Dooley since the spring game. But I must say that over the past couple of weeks I have been really impressed with our recruiting. We are leading for Worley Clear Kerb Anderson Randolph Luatua some people think we lead for Uzomah too we are in the top 5 for Hayes Arnett Richardson Walls Johnson and Martin. We are in good shape with alot of good players I think that we are doing a good job recruiting right now and I think that if we can get all of those players I just named. We could easily be on our way to another top 10 class maybe even a top 5.
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#50
#50
lilesrt said:
There is just one thing that you did not factor into the equation. That is a possible .500 record this upcoming season. Those are never good for a rebuilding team, such as UT, and they are the best friend of an opposing teams head coach during the recruiting process. You are an elite player. Where would you rather go? A project team that is in rebuild mode trying to break in an unproven head coach? Or the defending national champions? Pretty strong point if you ask me.
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If a prospect is brought up to speed on what the team actually has, the depth chart can sell itself first for the immediate contributors to get on the field faster. The NC has its draw, but there are many prospect who won't have the patience to wait 2+ years to play.
 
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