UT Recruiting : Square Peg in a Round Hole....

#76
#76
Kippy Brown listen to yourself, the man might have been a good position coach, but their is a reason he has not had a Head Coaching job. He has been in the NFL to long think about that. As for Dooley yes I was a person that said WHO when he was hired. But I really do believe will right this ship. AS for Kiffen I think he new when his dad retired It was over for him as the Tennessee Coach that is why he took the USC job, he never wanted to build anything here. He just wanted to be the caretaker, like at USC if Carrol does not work in the NFL and wants to come back to college good by Kiffen, because I really do believe Monte was going to retire here at Tennessee. He would have coached at least 3 more years here to build it up for his son. AT USC he maybe will be thier two..
 
#77
#77
Nice Post eric, I am cautiously optimistic about this staff and i will reserve my judgement till next signing day. The knee jerk crowd would be much better served to do the same, as it is ultimately out of our hands anyway.....but of course... they wont.
 
#78
#78
way wrong ... Yeah, winning is very important, but those dollars you speak of are very very important.
Get a clue, without winning on a consistent basis the dollars dry up. Only time the place sells out now is when the big boys come to town. Do some of you disagree just for the sake of disagreeing? Let this crap continue for a couple more years and see how well its doing.
 
#79
#79
I have a feeling Dooley will have to earn a 4th year in 2012. I don't think it will be handed to him. If he doesn't earn it will be impossible for MH to retain his job...if he lasts that long.

That is completely dependent on recruiting and whether there is some progress or zero progress.
 
#80
#80
That is completely dependent on recruiting and whether there is some progress or zero progress.

And the standard is probably top 5 classes and not top 10 as we all know where UF, Bama, and LSU will be. We have to be top 5 to compete.

It's such a high standard. We've got to realize that we'll have to pay to get someone who can meet our expectations. Trying to win championships the way the Cleveland Indians are trying to do it is just not wise.
 
#81
#81
And the standard is probably top 5 classes and not top 10 as we all know where UF, Bama, and LSU will be. We have to be top 5 to compete.

It's such a high standard. We've got to realize that we'll have to pay to get someone who can meet our expectations. Trying to win championships the way the Cleveland Indians are trying to do it is just not wise.

I don't know that the Indians are trying to win championships. :)
 
#83
#83
I don't know that the Indians are trying to win championships. :)

Great point!

However, I'm pretty sure that's what most folks outside our circle are saying about us with the biggest difference being that more Indians fans realize their status. :)








That post should draw the Eeyore pic for the day. :hi:
 
#84
#84
As we have all seen, Dooley's recruiting plan may not be geared towards the less patient fan at all, but in fact patience is something that we need to get our arms around because this isn't going to be an easy task to get UT back to the top of the SEC, where it belongs in this fan's eyes. I want to take a bit to examine some of Coach Dooley's quotes from a recent GVX article, which seem to be misinterpreted by some of our members at best.

Quote #1
This quote probably doesn't sit well with the "I want it now" crowd, but Coach Dooley is exactly right where he is going with the recruiting process. We want to form classes that can be accountable with one another, and that will mesh in character and ability together. That doesn't mean that we take all marginal players or blue chippers, instead I think it means that you take players that can motivate one another to be better everyday.

Quote #2
Once again, Coach Dooley is right on the money with this quote. All he is saying here is you take some risks with the higher rated guys because of potential, but you don't take the same risks with the lower tier guys, because it's not worth the risk if they aren't going to help you in some aspect of the game.

Quote #3
Here is one that can be quickly misinterpreted without thinking about it first. All he is saying here is that he wants players to bleed orange, highly rated or not. He wants leaders, not followers, and that's what a team sport is about.

Quote #4
Yet again, Dooley is sending the message that he doesn't want kids who don't want to be a part of a program from the get go. He wants kids that will be here for the right reasons, not just to get to the league, which this staff has plenty of practice providing that service as well. He wants to recruit the RIGHT kids to UT, and that's going to be a balance of risk and character.

Quote #5
I love this in a coach. He doesn't care what people think, instead he wants to work and prove himself. Winning the opinion poll didn't work for this team last year, as they finished 7-6 and had more mishaps and violations than they did wins. Coach Dooley wants to work for approval, and has done this all his life by making his own way, which some of our fans don't agree because of his last coaching gig in the WAC. Coach Dooley will work for UT, not himself, as he understands that you must make the school the focal point of recruiting, and not the coaches.

So, in all reality, Coach Dooley is not looking for square peg in a round hole, but is instead looking for the best fit in players for this team and this school. I have seen plenty of highly rated kids never contribute here at UT in the past few years, and honestly I am tired of it. Yet, we will have a walk-on as our starting MLB, and one of our former coaches seemed to think that he had NFL ability. So, it's all going to be a balancing act, and finding those players that fit well together, highly rated and character guys alike. So, be patient, and even if Coach Dooley doesn't work out over time, at least some stability can somewhat be brought back to The Hill.

Have a great rest of the evening VN. :hi:

Good Post!! I've read some of the comments of responders and I have to laugh.
 
#85
#85
I don't know. The one thing I liked about x's recruiting strategy was accepting the reality that players want to get into the league while understanding professional football playing requires accountability and is not all about "the flash and the bling." That's part of what x's NFL coaching experience brought to the table. This may have been one his philosophical strengths. Universities prepare other professions, why not football players.

Dooley harkens back to the day of amateur athleticism with his comments. I do think though too there will be a value in his sense of consistency in building esprit de corps. Though I was excited about the class x was putting together the showing against VT left a lot to be desired. That team did not look like a well coached motivated team.

So much for what could have beens.
 
#86
#86
That's why to me it's a puzzling hire. I was all for keeping Kippy as interim until a better time was available for a coaching search. It didn't end up bad though and Dooley pulled some good kids. Overall it's still not where we want it. Maybe Urban has another bout of insanity or someone backs a dump truck full of money up to Saban's door. I've been kind of guilty of tuning out here lately. I'm sick of the way things are run up there and i'm not writing them a check for a long time. Not until hammy's gone at least.

Oh well. We'll (and they'll) lose no sleep. Your perrogative. Ill have my orange on and they've already received my check...so...
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#87
#87
Every thread I've read tonight is a freakin novel. Too much to handle after drinking. This probably should be posted in random thread or I've been drinking but I'm too lazy
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