UT will not get better

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CountVolcula

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until a change is made at the very top. The UT admin above Hart IS NOT committed to winning.

We have to hope that we can succeed with what we have. If not, another coaching change in 3 years and another coaching search that ends up being sub-par

Butch Jones may turn out to be great, but who knows. This league is not friendly to coaches without SEC experience.

If UT is going to return to prominence, we have to have the winning attitude start at the top. Its not there with Cheek

Fire Cheek and get someone in that thinks more of the UT AD than an ATM
 
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CountVolcula said:
until a change is made at the very top. The UT admin above Hart IS NOT committed to winning.

We have to hope that we can succeed with what we have. If not, another coaching change in 3 years and another coaching search that ends up being sub-par

Butch Jones may turn out to be great, but who knows. This league is not friendly to coaches without SEC experience.

If UT is going to return to prominence, we have to have the winning attitude start at the top. Its not there with Cheek

Fire Cheek and get someone in that thinks more of the UT AD than an ATM
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because urban and saban needed any sec exper?
 
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CountVolcula said:
until a change is made at the very top. The UT admin above Hart IS NOT committed to winning.

We have to hope that we can succeed with what we have. If not, another coaching change in 3 years and another coaching search that ends up being sub-par

Butch Jones may turn out to be great, but who knows. This league is not friendly to coaches without SEC experience.

If UT is going to return to prominence, we have to have the winning attitude start at the top. Its not there with Cheek

Fire Cheek and get someone in that thinks more of the UT AD than an ATM
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Strong words Count. I agree with you.
 
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CountVolcula said:
This league is not friendly to coaches without SEC experience.
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Les Miles...No SEC experience until head coach at LSU
Urban Meyer...No SEC experience until head coach at Florida
Nick Saban...No SEC experience until head coach at LSU
 
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IMO we should snatch up Obama as soon as he is out of office.

You guys worried about not paying for a top coach? Obama has no problem dropping as much cash as it takes and in this business cash is king unlike it is in government.
 
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JAMESFROMCT said:
because urban and saban needed any sec exper?
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Urban did go undefeated at Utah and won a BCS bowl game, and Saban came from Michigan State.

Perhaps he should have said the SEC is hard on coaches with no BCS conference or BCS bowl game experience.

EDIT: I suppose that, technically, Butch Jones has coached in a BCS conference before.
 
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CountVolcula said:
until a change is made at the very top. The UT admin above Hart IS NOT committed to winning.

We have to hope that we can succeed with what we have. If not, another coaching change in 3 years and another coaching search that ends up being sub-par

Butch Jones may turn out to be great, but who knows. This league is not friendly to coaches without SEC experience.

If UT is going to return to prominence, we have to have the winning attitude start at the top. Its not there with Cheek

Fire Cheek and get someone in that thinks more of the UT AD than an ATM
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It's been pretty friendly to Kevin Sumlin.
 
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CountVolcula said:
until a change is made at the very top. The UT admin above Hart IS NOT committed to winning.

We have to hope that we can succeed with what we have. If not, another coaching change in 3 years and another coaching search that ends up being sub-par

Butch Jones may turn out to be great, but who knows. This league is not friendly to coaches without SEC experience.

If UT is going to return to prominence, we have to have the winning attitude start at the top. Its not there with Cheek

Fire Cheek and get someone in that thinks more of the UT AD than an ATM
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Kevin Sumlin just called you a lier
 
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ukvols said:
Urban did go undefeated at Utah and won a BCS bowl game, and Saban came from Michigan State.

Perhaps he should have said the SEC is hard on coaches with no BCS conference or BCS bowl game experience.

EDIT: I suppose that, technically, Butch Jones has coached in a BCS conference before.
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Except Cincy is in a BCS conference.

I see you edited. I do like you're emphasis on "technically."
 
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bigeasy said:
Les Miles...No SEC experience until head coach at LSU
Urban Meyer...No SEC experience until head coach at Florida
Nick Saban...No SEC experience until head coach at LSU
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Look at the programs those three coaches came from and the success they had there.

I'm not saying Butch Jones will fail or be great.

I'm saying his pre-SEC resume is nowhere close to the above guys who keep getting named in conversations like this.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
Man how do you get SEC experience if aren't ever given the chance to coach there. Hell tell that guy in Nashville who owns the state of TN that he needed SEC experience. So how do you explain Les Miles, Nick Saban, and Steve Spurrier success .That is whole lot of BS man. You either can coach or you can't.
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So much right in this post.

Well done. :hi:
 
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Well Count, how many of us would have bet the house that Flacco would never make it to a SuperBowl?? And our '98 National Champ team had how many 4 & 5 Star kids? I'm just sayin'...
 
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I think part of the problem is people had unrealistic expectations.

On the day Dooley was fired, if you told me we'd sign the class we just did, I'd be ecstatic.

Problem is Butch got us in the heads of quite a few blue chips, and it raised our expectations. Finishing 2nd for those hurt, but I'm still excited about the direction we're going.
 
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ukvols said:
Urban did go undefeated at Utah and won a BCS bowl game, and Saban came from Michigan State.

Perhaps he should have said the SEC is hard on coaches with no BCS conference or BCS bowl game experience.

EDIT: I suppose that, technically, Butch Jones has coached in a BCS conference before.
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Perhaps he should have said the SEC is hard on coaches with more, or less, than 5 letters in their last name like Saban, or Meyer or...wait...J O N E :jawdrop:
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
Except Cincy is in a BCS conference.
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Yeah, that's why I made the Edit in time for it to be part of the post you quoted.

This is the last year that the Big East will contractually be a major conference. Beginning in 2014, the Big East will contractually be lumped in with MWC, C-USA, MAC, and Sun Belt.
 
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The SEC was not as strong when Miles, Urban, and Saban entered. They helped make the SEC what it is today

As far as Sumlin, he is a good coach, but give him more than one year to prove his worth. The sun shines on a moles ass every now and then
 
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ukvols said:
Look at the programs those three coaches came from and the success they had there.

I'm not saying Butch Jones will fail or be great.

I'm saying his pre-SEC resume is nowhere close to the above guys who keep getting named in conversations like this.
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Me thinks you don't know what Saban's record was before LSU.
 
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CountVolcula said:
until a change is made at the very top. The UT admin above Hart IS NOT committed to winning.

We have to hope that we can succeed with what we have. If not, another coaching change in 3 years and another coaching search that ends up being sub-par

Butch Jones may turn out to be great, but who knows. This league is not friendly to coaches without SEC experience.

If UT is going to return to prominence, we have to have the winning attitude start at the top. Its not there with Cheek

Fire Cheek and get someone in that thinks more of the UT AD than an ATM
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Cheek and the adversarial acamedicians are problematic. Gotta have faith that Hart is doing his job and making some changes. Otherwise I think Butch is a good hire - time will tell
 
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ukvols said:
Yeah, that's why I made the Edit in time for it to be part of the post you quoted.

This is the last year that the Big East will contractually be a major conference. Beginning in 2014, the Big East will contractually be lumped in with MWC, C-USA, MAC, and Sun Belt.
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Do you see where I live? I am very aware of the situation in the Big East but I do appreciate you explaining it to me so eloquently. :clapping:
 
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I do think Sumlin has potential to succeed even beyond Johnny Football. TAMU is obviously located in Texas, and their current on-field success will probably lead to continued recruiting success. They're "on the map" with recruits and are advantageously located.
 
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ukvols said:
Urban did go undefeated at Utah and won a BCS bowl game, and Saban came from Michigan State.

Perhaps he should have said the SEC is hard on coaches with no BCS conference or BCS bowl game experience.

EDIT: I suppose that, technically, Butch Jones has coached in a BCS conference before.
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Saban got his start in the Mac.Just like meyer, and kelly.
 
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