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#101
#101
WoodsmanVol said:
Nope and am not a Jew or 7th Day Baptist either. Let's just say I read the Good Book like I read any other book instead of bits and pieces. And have done some reading in Judeo-Christian history, spoke non-judgmentally to clergy in various faiths, and actually sought to understand instead of just believing something just because I was indoctrinated to believe it.

OK, I'm done, shouldn't have revisited this in first place. So I'm really done now. Anyone who really wants to know reality can find it but not with a closed mind.
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It's not that big of a deal to me. I just like to know with whom I'm discussing. Let's just say that I don't read the 'good book' like I do any other book. However, I read it in its entirety, and actually teach it verse by verse, from within its historical context. I've studied church history, both the good and the bad, as well as global history as it effects church history.

The Bible itself indicates that the church, from New Testament times, chose to gather, worship and take sacraments on Sunday (the first day of the week) because:

  1. That's the day that Jesus resurrected (thus their reference to it as 'The Lord's Day')
  2. That's the day that the church was born-- on Pentecost (a Sunday)
  3. Jesus appeared to them on several Sunday's before being transfigured.

Note that in Revelation, John makes note to mention that his revelation came when he was in worship on Sunday.

Acts specifically refers to their Sunday worship. Paul specifically commanded the church to collect their money for missions on the first day of the week (when they were gathering).

The earliest of church history specifically says that the church worshiped on Sunday-- The Lord's Day.

90AD DIDACHE: "Christian Assembly on the Lord's Day: 1. But every Lord's day do ye gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. 2. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. 3. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, saith the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations." (Didache: The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, Chapter XIV)
100 AD BARNABAS "We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (The Epistle of Barnabas, 100 AD 15:6-8).
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By 111-113, Pliny the Younger (a Roman official) wrote to his superior, requesting direction of his superior. In this letter, he wrote:

They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to do some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so.
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Taken with the Biblical description, the early church writings, and this Roman document, it is pretty plain that the traditional day of worship in Christianity, from the very beginning, was Sunday.

Now... There is no "mandated" day of worship in the church. I have pastor friends whose churches meet on Friday nights, Saturday nights, Sundays-- even all three. My church actually met on both Friday and Sunday nights for a time when we shared a facility with another church, several years ago.

But Sunday worship was not a vast, pagan conspiracy. It was a tradition set immediately in the church for very specific and profound spiritual reasons.

As to the Sabbath, if you have read the 'good book' in its entirety, you will have noticed a few things:

This Sabbath was given to the Jews, and it was the seal that God gave to ratify His covenant with ISRAEL.

The Sabbath is a commandment that has been pointedly rescinded in Christ-- now that Jesus has fulfilled the lesson that it was meant to teach us about His ministry-- i.e. resting from our (spiritual) work and resting in His completed work.

"Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." (Col. 2:16-17).
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Blessings...
 
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#102
#102
Orange_Crush said:
It's not that big of a deal to me. I just like to know with whom I'm discussing. Let's just say that I don't read the 'good book' like I do any other book. However, I read it in its entirety, and actually teach it verse by verse, from within its historical context. I've studied church history, both the good and the bad, as well as global history as it effects church history.

The Bible itself indicates that the church, from New Testament times, chose to gather, worship and take sacraments on Sunday (the first day of the week) because:

  1. That's the day that Jesus resurrected (thus their reference to it as 'The Lord's Day')
  2. That's the day that the church was born-- on Pentecost (a Sunday)
  3. Jesus appeared to them on several Sunday's before being transfigured.

Note that in Revelation, John makes note to mention that his revelation came when he was in worship on Sunday.

Acts specifically refers to their Sunday worship. Paul specifically commanded the church to collect their money for missions on the first day of the week (when they were gathering).

The earliest of church history specifically says that the church worshiped on Sunday-- The Lord's Day.



By 111-113, Pliny the Younger (a Roman official) wrote to his superior, requesting direction of his superior. In this letter, he wrote:



Taken with the Biblical description, the early church writings, and this Roman document, it is pretty plain that the traditional day of worship in Christianity, from the very beginning, was Sunday.

Now... There is no "mandated" day of worship in the church. I have pastor friends whose churches meet on Friday nights, Saturday nights, Sundays-- even all three. My church actually met on both Friday and Sunday nights for a time when we shared a facility with another church, several years ago.

But Sunday worship was not a vast, pagan conspiracy. It was a tradition set immediately in the church for very specific and profound spiritual reasons.

As to the Sabbath, if you have read the 'good book' in its entirety, you will have noticed a few things:

This Sabbath was given to the Jews, and it was the seal that God gave to ratify His covenant with ISRAEL.

The Sabbath is a commandment that has been pointedly rescinded in Christ-- now that Jesus has fulfilled the lesson that it was meant to teach us about His ministry-- i.e. resting from our (spiritual) work and resting in His completed work.




Blessings...
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This is my understanding.
 
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#103
#103
Orange_Crush said:
It's not that big of a deal to me. I just like to know with whom I'm discussing. Let's just say that I don't read the 'good book' like I do any other book. However, I read it in its entirety, and actually teach it verse by verse, from within its historical context. I've studied church history, both the good and the bad, as well as global history as it effects church history.

The Bible itself indicates that the church, from New Testament times, chose to gather, worship and take sacraments on Sunday (the first day of the week) because:

  1. That's the day that Jesus resurrected (thus their reference to it as 'The Lord's Day')
  2. That's the day that the church was born-- on Pentecost (a Sunday)
  3. Jesus appeared to them on several Sunday's before being transfigured.

Note that in Revelation, John makes note to mention that his revelation came when he was in worship on Sunday.

Acts specifically refers to their Sunday worship. Paul specifically commanded the church to collect their money for missions on the first day of the week (when they were gathering).

The earliest of church history specifically says that the church worshiped on Sunday-- The Lord's Day.



By 111-113, Pliny the Younger (a Roman official) wrote to his superior, requesting direction of his superior. In this letter, he wrote:



Taken with the Biblical description, the early church writings, and this Roman document, it is pretty plain that the traditional day of worship in Christianity, from the very beginning, was Sunday.

Now... There is no "mandated" day of worship in the church. I have pastor friends whose churches meet on Friday nights, Saturday nights, Sundays-- even all three. My church actually met on both Friday and Sunday nights for a time when we shared a facility with another church, several years ago.

But Sunday worship was not a vast, pagan conspiracy. It was a tradition set immediately in the church for very specific and profound spiritual reasons.

As to the Sabbath, if you have read the 'good book' in its entirety, you will have noticed a few things:

This Sabbath was given to the Jews, and it was the seal that God gave to ratify His covenant with ISRAEL.

The Sabbath is a commandment that has been pointedly rescinded in Christ-- now that Jesus has fulfilled the lesson that it was meant to teach us about His ministry-- i.e. resting from our (spiritual) work and resting in His completed work.




Blessings...
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Anybody up for a game of soccer? :happy:
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#107
#107
OMG, Butch, please get the students back early from Spring Break. Volnation is losing control again. You know we get this way when there is no football to talk about. But hey, At least we have another sport where we won a game. In a tournament, no less. Back to sports boys. Please.
 
#109
#109
VolsnRavens said:
OMG, Butch, please get the students back early from Spring Break. Volnation is losing control again. You know we get this way when there is no football to talk about. But hey, At least we have another sport where we won a game. In a tournament, no less. Back to sports boys. Please.
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I do hope that they are working hard over their break. Having our spring practice split like that can turn out a couple of ways. If they are working hard over break and don't lose a step mentally or physically it could be a good thing since they'll be able to hit the ground running and dig deeper into "the Tennessee brand of football". If they come back slow then we have to waste a couple days getting back to where we were last Friday.
 
#113
#113
I'll throw my 2 cents in. I've got no idea what day or time the season opener will be on but I have enjoyed this conversation. Anytime its mentioned that an event will occur on Sunday in the South, you can expect a conversation to erupt concerning the lords day. It's to be expected.

We are way too sensitive nowadays as a culture. We should be able to discuss pretty much anything.
 
#114
#114
All this conjecture to me is moot. I just don't see this game being played on Sunday night. Nothing has been announced and I think that it would have by now. I did enjoy the theological back and forth. There have been a lot worse subjects discussed on these threads. Whenever we play I will be watching.
 
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#115
#115
The football time in Tennessee guy just tweeted about the possibility of this game being on Sunday.
"@FootballTimeMag: The #Vols are considering moving the Utah State game to Sunday, August 31st per @John_BriceVQ."
 
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#118
#118
Yep, it's been switched to Sunday so everyone can enjoy Boomsday on Saturday evening/night.
 
#119
#119
I reckon the followers of Mr. Smith will be a little more peeved to receive their ass kicking on Sunday instead of Saturday.

So be it.
 
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#121
#121
So I saw some tweets from other sites (FBSschedules, Clay Travis among others saying that this game is now an SEC Network game following the move to Sunday.


Edit: I'm clearly late to the game and this had already been proven/discussed elsewhere.
 
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