Utah Utes deserve consideration for National Champs

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rockydoc

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I know it won't happen but if I were a voter on the AP poll, I would vote for Utah to share the NC with the BCS winner just as USC did in 2002 with LSU.

Here's why: They ran the table, 13-0. They trounced a team (Alabama) that spent five weeks atop of the polls. They also beat Michigan at their place (They didn't know that Michigan would be down when they scheduled them), Also splitting the championship would put more pressure on the universities to have an eight team playoff.
 
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Teams like utah will always get the shaft until there is some form of a playoff. They can argue it all they want. They're never going to get the respect of the BCS conferences.
 
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No. I think there will be 2 teams every year that without a doubt are the only two teams worthy of consideration for a shot at the national title. Makes complete sense.
 
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allvol123 said:
No. I think there will be 2 teams every year that without a doubt are the only two teams worthy of consideration for a shot at the national title. Makes complete sense.
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:whistling:

The sarcasm is strong in you, young padawan...
 
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rockydoc said:
I know it won't happen but if I were a voter on the AP poll, I would vote for Utah to share the NC with the BCS winner just as USC did in 2002 with LSU.

Here's why: They ran the table, 13-0. They trounced a team (Alabama) that spent five weeks atop of the polls. They also beat Michigan at their place (They didn't know that Michigan would be down when they scheduled them), Also splitting the championship would put more pressure on the universities to have an eight team playoff.
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If your saying you'd vote, as a hypothetical AP voter, for Utah, I get it, but I don't think they can split their vote for #1.

I do think a split NC would further help future considerations for a playoff, but that's a bad reason to vote for Utah.
 
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rockydoc said:
I know it won't happen but if I were a voter on the AP poll, I would vote for Utah to share the NC with the BCS winner just as USC did in 2002 with LSU.

Here's why: They ran the table, 13-0. They trounced a team (Alabama) that spent five weeks atop of the polls. They also beat Michigan at their place (They didn't know that Michigan would be down when they scheduled them), Also splitting the championship would put more pressure on the universities to have an eight team playoff.
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tell Utah to join the PAC-10 or play in a bigger conference and when they are in a BCS conference then maybe yeah but until then NO besides TCU and BYU in there conference they don't play anyone
 
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Is it really their fault that they aren't in a BCS conference? They can't just go join one, right? They have to be invited... Using that argument against a team that destroyed Alabama is kind of flawed. This Utah team deserves to be at the top of the polls.
 
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Vols4life said:
tell Utah to join the PAC-10 or play in a bigger conference and when they are in a BCS conference then maybe yeah but until then NO besides TCU and BYU in there conference they don't play anyone
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Utah has been invited to join the Pac 10?
 
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Just because you beat one top dog who had no interest in being there doesn't make you the Nat. Champion.
 
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VOLatile said:
Is it really their fault that they aren't in a BCS conference? They can't just go join one, right? They have to be invited... Using that argument against a team that destroyed Alabama is kind of flawed. This Utah team deserves to be at the top of the polls.
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Put Utah in one of the BCS conferences and tell me they go undefeated this Utah should be national champs is stupid talk....they could not probably beat USC, Texas, LSU, Florida, Oklahoma and possibly tOSU they lucked out this year playing bama without Smith who is their offense as an Olineman....playing Michigan trying to learn a new offense
 
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Vols4life said:
Put Utah in one of the BCS conferences and tell me they go undefeated this Utah should be national champs is stupid talk....they could not probably beat USC, Texas, LSU, Florida, Oklahoma and possibly tOSU they lucked out this year playing bama without Smith who is their offense as an Olineman....playing Michigan trying to learn a new offense
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Nice. That always fixes things.
 
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It varies from each person I've talked to about this issue. Personally I can't see a National Championship being awarded to a Mountain West team, or a split National Championship being shared between the Southeastern Conference/Mountain West Conference or the Big XII Conference/Mountain West Conference.

However, I can see a split championship if Texas beats Ohio State convincingly, and Florida beats Oklahoma by 1-3 points.

Chances are low, and it shouldn't happen, but that's the summary of the BCS: "Screw, Or Be Screwed".
 
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Vols4life said:
tell Utah to join the PAC-10 or play in a bigger conference and when they are in a BCS conference then maybe yeah but until then NO besides TCU and BYU in there conference they don't play anyone
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You act like that's as easy as changing shoes.
 
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nickknx865 said:
You act like that's as easy as changing shoes.
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I remember last season, everyone was all guang-ho about Hawaii being in the Pacific Ten Conference. They fell from prominence this year, and it wouldn't have been very pretty if they were in the Pac Ten.

Unless all these "mid-majors", so to speak, combine and make one power, BCS conference, then everyone needs to stay in place.
 
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Showtime said:
I remember last season, everyone was all guang-ho about Hawaii being in the Pacific Ten Conference. They fell from prominence this year, and it wouldn't have been very pretty if they were in the Pac Ten.

Unless all these "mid-majors", so to speak, combine and make one power, BCS conference, then everyone needs to stay in place.
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I'd agree with that. To tell you the truth, I don't consider Boise State a mid-major. They remind me of Gonzaga in basketball, a power team in a mid-major confrence.

An idea I've heard is this. Kick Wyoming, SDSU, and UNLV from the MWC. Replace them with Boise State, Fresno State and Hawaii. Offer the BCS a ton of money. Problem solved.
 
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nickknx865 said:
I'd agree with that. To tell you the truth, I don't consider Boise State a mid-major. They remind me of Gonzaga in basketball, a power team in a mid-major confrence.

An idea I've heard is this. Kick Wyoming, SDSU, and UNLV from the MWC. Replace them with Boise State, Fresno State and Hawaii. Offer the BCS a ton of money. Problem solved.
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I'd call them a power team before I'd give that title to Ball State, although I do agree with you here.

Another concept I have heard is knock Iowa State out of the Big XII and throw them in the Big Ten, so they have a conference championship, and then add TCU to the Big XII.

I like the idea you presented more, though.
 
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Showtime said:
I'd call them a power team before I'd give that title to Ball State, although I do agree with you here.

Another concept I have heard is knock Iowa State out of the Big XII and throw them in the Big Ten, so they have a conference championship, and then add TCU to the Big XII.

I like the idea you presented more, though.
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In any case, something has to be done about these mid-majors not getting to play for a national championship. Personally, if I was a voter in the AP poll, I'd vote Utah the national champions, to stir the pot a little.
 
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nickknx865 said:
In any case, something has to be done about these mid-majors not getting to play for a national championship. Personally, if I was a voter in the AP poll, I'd vote Utah the national champions, to stir the pot a little.
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In my opinion, I don't think Utah deserves a National Championship simply because:

1. Their schedule wasn't as tough as Florida's or Oklahoma's
2. You could make an argument for every other BCS bowl winner being a split champion, and that's pointless

Unless we get a playoff (Which I personally DON'T want) we can't really proclaim a split champion based on how they did in a bowl, because then everyone else has a case.
 
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Showtime said:
In my opinion, I don't think Utah deserves a National Championship simply because:

1. Their schedule wasn't as tough as Florida's or Oklahoma's
2. You could make an argument for every other BCS bowl winner being a split champion, and that's pointless

Unless we get a playoff (Which I personally DON'T want) we can't really proclaim a split champion based on how they did in a bowl, because then everyone else has a case.
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1. Nobody wants to play a top mid-major like Utah or Boise State. It's a no win situation. There is a reason that San Diego State has no problem getting Notre Dame on the schedule, while Utah and BSU look for anyone that's any good to play them.

2. I really haven't heard anyone try to make a case for Virginia Tech or Ohio State. The main issues I've heard are Texas, Utah, and USC being left out of the national title picture, with a couple of AP voters proclaiming they will vote Utah as the national champions.

So, if you're not wanting a playoff, what do you want? +1? Keep it the way it is? Go back to the pre-BCS system?
 
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