Va Tech Inducts Michael Vick Into Hokies Hall Of Fame

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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I doubt that he was in it for the money. More likely it was for fun (gambling).

Even smart people can be raised wrong. Did he have parents teaching him that dog fighting was bad or did he grew up in a culture that embraced it? Most people have zero problem eating veal. Look at the videos of how those animals are raised and make a case for why it's okay.
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So what if his parents taught him that? Could he not see with his own eyes and use his conscience to see what it was doing to the animals? Nope. Sorry but thats not an excuse. The ONLY excuse that can be valid is the one which I stated. If Vick had a severe mental handicap that prevented him from knowing what he was doing, then thats a valid excuse. He did not.

Comparing veal to dog fighting is ridiculous imo. Dog fighting is done for fun. Veal is food for humans. Are baby calfs being pit against one another in a brutal fight? Where the loser either dies horribly or is severley mutilated? No they are not.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So what if his parents taught him that? Could he not see with his own eyes and use his conscience to see what it was doing to the animals? Nope. Sorry but thats not an excuse. The ONLY excuse that can be valid is the one which I stated. If Vick had a severe mental handicap that prevented him from knowing what he was doing, then thats a valid excuse. He did not.

Comparing veal to dog fighting is ridiculous imo. Dog fighting is done for fun. Veal is food for humans. Are baby calfs being pit against one another in a brutal fight? Where the loser either dies horribly or is severley mutilated? No they are not.
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Apparently you have no clue how animals used to make veal live their lives. For that matter, what about chickens that live their lives in about one square foot? Or pregnant pigs that are confined to a crate for a couple of months that is so tiny that they can't even turn around? Those are standard practices forced on animals because they taste good. There is very little difference in the two scenarios. Humans don't need to eat veal (or bacon) and humans don't need dogs to fight in order to gamble. Vick was raised in a culture that embraced dog fighting. He's learned that it's not acceptable.

Are you appalled by cock fighting and bull fighting as well? Those birds and cows were raised very much like the fighting dogs.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Wow you really thought he was that good in college? Was he electrifying? Yes. But beyond that, what made him qualify as some kind of all time great, one of the best players ever type? I am just genuinely curious.
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Carrying that VT team to the championship game. Pretty singular. Thought it was more impressive than Vince Young.
 
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Vick was the scariest college QB I've ever seen. I would have loved to see him in Chip Kelly's system in Oregon's hay day.
 
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How does anyone know he doesent still do it?


Served his time or not he's scum to me.
Forgiving him is like forgiving a petifile. Never gonna happen
 
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Rockytoptalker said:
Good thing you put 3 question marks, otherwise it would've remained a mystery as to what you were asking.

And yes, it was a mistake.
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A mistake is a misstep, a wrong decision. What Vick was doing was much more than that, he showed a pattern of wrongdoing over a period of years. His behavior was much more egregious than a simple mistake.
 
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It's a big misconception that "Vick served 2 years for dogfighting." He served 2 years for running an interstate gambling operation, the activity which was being bet on happened to be dogfighting. The animal cruelty component of his sentence was quite small. There are people who have done what he did to dogs, minus the gambling operation, and get slapped with something like probation and/or a fine.

He could have been running an illegal lottery or bookmaking operation, and legally could have received an identical sentence. It's awful what he did, but there are much worse crimes, and the guy more than served his time.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
How does anyone know he doesent still do it?


Served his time or not he's scum to me.
Forgiving him is like forgiving a petifile. Never gonna happen
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You're really comparing someone who facilitated a dog fighting ring to someone who sexually assaults kids? Pretty ridiculous IMO.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
How does anyone know he doesent still do it?


Served his time or not he's scum to me.
Forgiving him is like forgiving a petifile. Never gonna happen
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I guess none here would know for certain, but given he was caught and convicted before should make it pretty easy to catch him again if he is. Its not like anyone associated wouldn't know him considering.

Your last comment is one of the dumber things Ive read on this board. Congrats.
 
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gunner said:
A mistake is a misstep, a wrong decision. What Vick was doing was much more than that, he showed a pattern of wrongdoing over a period of years. His behavior was much more egregious than a simple mistake.
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Tomato, tomato. Put another word in it's place if you like. You're simply wanting to start an argument if that's the thing you're focusing on.

This is you- Ahem. Hey, you shouldn't have said wrongdoing. You should have said injustice. Because wrongdoing is so much less than injustice.
 
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gunner said:
A mistake is a misstep, a wrong decision. What Vick was doing was much more than that, he showed a pattern of wrongdoing over a period of years. His behavior was much more egregious than a simple mistake.
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If I did something like this, it's because I'm straight up evil. I was raised much better than this, not just by my parents but I had the benefit of a great community. Vick probably grew up thinking there wasn't anything wrong with dog fighting.

I give him the benefit of the doubt because I truly believe him when he says he sincerely changed. He paid off all his $19M in debt. He makes unpaid appearances all the time for the humane society. He's done everything right since getting out of jail. Not one slip-up, that I know of. This is a guy who had a history of getting in trouble, not just the dog fighting thing.
 
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WildTurkey said:
Honest question - you put a person who abused dogs on the same level as a person who abused children?

Seriously?
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He's only sorry because he got caught. He was even caught saying so. Anyone can go out and put on a smile and pretend. Put him in the same situation and I'll bet it would happen all over again. Many many athletes go to dog fights, chicken fights, etc.

I love dogs and kids so they're equally terrible. It's just my opinion
 
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BeecherVol said:
I guess none here would know for certain, but given he was caught and convicted before should make it pretty easy to catch him again if he is. Its not like anyone associated wouldn't know him considering.

Your last comment is one of the dumber things Ive read on this board. Congrats.
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What I say or don't say doesent have to please you

Your welcome.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
He's only sorry because he got caught. He was even caught saying so. Anyone can go out and put on a smile and pretend. Put him in the same situation and I'll bet it would happen all over again. Many many athletes go to dog fights, chicken fights, etc.

I love dogs and kids so they're equally terrible. It's just my opinion
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I wasn't defending anything Vick did or does. Don't care. I just can't fathom how abusing any animal - while no doubt wrong - can ever approach the level of child abuse, from a criminally punishable standpoint.

Dogs, chickens, cats, sheep (if you're in Alabama) - it's just not the same to me. To each his/her own.
 
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It's an interesting question...when push comes to shove, I admit a human's life has more value and is more sacred than a dog's, but the thing that makes it sacred is the intellect and emotion. You wouldn't let your kid hurt a dog, but you probably don't care if your kid smashes a bug. The difference is the intellect and emotion.

Dogs are deeply emotional creatures and they have the intellect of a 2 year old. Is abusing a child that much worse than abusing a dog, in terms of suffering?
 
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