Vaccine or not?

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AthensVol2007 said:
I’m confused, I thought we stopped counting cases on March 7th? Nevermind, I forgot we have a border crisis and an “infrastructure” bill, that’ll push the national debt further above GDP, that we need to be distracted from; therefore, Covid is back in full force.
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Those are just those that go to hospital...at Vanderbilt 98 were seen but only 9 admitted...
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Serious question. Have you done any research for yourself on mRNA vaccines or just listened to fear porn?
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Sure have. I have some very good information sent yo me from an infectious disease specialist with over 20 years of experience. I assume you get all of your info from the internet and not actual people who deal with things like viruses in a daily basis yeah?

So now that’s out of the way, how about trying to answer my original question.
 
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Septic said:
You probably don't get your news from twitter randos or call it "evidence" either.
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I actually did see a good Facebook post today, but it was a reply to a bad Facebook post.

Dude politely took issue with the “50% of covid hospitalizations in the UK are vaccinated people” meme by pointing out that 90% of the population met the study’s definition of the word vaccinated, hospitalizations were down ridiculously since January, and the whole thing was yoinked from a study that found symptoms less severe among the vaccinated and linked to original sources.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Really? By all means please show the evidence that he had none of those things listed before contracting COVID.
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A. He wasn’t hospitalized. Afib and uncontrolled hypertension in combination with kidney failure would almost certainly have resulted hospitalization for management until his kidney function improved and blood pressure stabilized at safe levels.
https://digitalcommons.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1005&context=kidneycentric_all

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HYPERTENSION
Acute or severe hypertension can be life-threatening as it can cause end organ damage, particularly in the heart, brain, and kidney. The etiology of hypertension in acute kidney injury patients may be due to fluid overload or elevated activity of the renin-angiotensin pathway causing systemic vasoconstriction. Hypertensive urgency is generally defined as SBP >= 180 mmHg and/or DBP >= 110 or greater than 5 mmHg
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above the 99th%tile for age in pediatric patients. Hypertensive emergency is defined as hypertensive urgency with associated clinical symptoms of end-organ dysfunction such as headache, confusion, vision changes, weakness, chest pain, shortness of breath, etc.
In hypertensive urgency and emergency, blood pressure should be lowered carefully over minutes to hours. The treatment goal is to reduce severity of hypertension and alleviate signs of end organ dysfunction, not to completely normalize blood pressure. Medications commonly used in the acute care or emergency setting include labetolol, nicardipine, hydralazine, esmolol, or nifedipine.8 ACE inhibitors may exacerbate a pre- renal state so should be used with caution in the emergency setting.”

B. Again, they’re all commonly caused by severe covid cases.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
A. He wasn’t hospitalized. Afib and uncontrolled hypertension in combination with kidney failure would almost certainly have resulted hospitalization for management until his kidney function improved and blood pressure stabilized at safe levels.
https://digitalcommons.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1005&context=kidneycentric_all

“
HYPERTENSION
Acute or severe hypertension can be life-threatening as it can cause end organ damage, particularly in the heart, brain, and kidney. The etiology of hypertension in acute kidney injury patients may be due to fluid overload or elevated activity of the renin-angiotensin pathway causing systemic vasoconstriction. Hypertensive urgency is generally defined as SBP >= 180 mmHg and/or DBP >= 110 or greater than 5 mmHg
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above the 99th%tile for age in pediatric patients. Hypertensive emergency is defined as hypertensive urgency with associated clinical symptoms of end-organ dysfunction such as headache, confusion, vision changes, weakness, chest pain, shortness of breath, etc.
In hypertensive urgency and emergency, blood pressure should be lowered carefully over minutes to hours. The treatment goal is to reduce severity of hypertension and alleviate signs of end organ dysfunction, not to completely normalize blood pressure. Medications commonly used in the acute care or emergency setting include labetolol, nicardipine, hydralazine, esmolol, or nifedipine.8 ACE inhibitors may exacerbate a pre- renal state so should be used with caution in the emergency setting.”

B. Again, they’re all commonly caused by severe covid cases.
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And yet again you fail. But keep on blaming COVID though. Helps the narrative for the branch covidians. Just so you know people don’t go to the hospital for everything. You can live with kidney failure for years. Same with AFIB and uncontrolled BP.

Having said all that you are just making assumptions with conjecture nonsense. Typical.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
And yet again you fail. But keep on blaming COVID though. Helps the narrative for the branch covidians. Just so you know people don’t go to the hospital for everything. You can live with kidney failure for years. Same with AFIB and uncontrolled BP.

Having said all that you are just making assumptions with conjecture nonsense. Typical.
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Whatever makes you feel better, guy who didn’t know what “secondary to” meant until a few hours ago.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Yeah uncontrolled high blood pressure, kidney failure, AFIB and pneumonia are nothing. If he didn’t have COVID, he would be just fine right? Good grief 🙄🙄
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Unfortunately this is a common complication of covid. As your lungs essentially are being destroyed by inflammation people become hypoxic leading to end organ damage such as kidney failure, cardiac issues (such as afib), etc as these organs can’t get the oxygen to operate. if this guys needs ecmo then that means ventilation is no longer adequate for him. On top of that being in the hospital and having a tube stuck down your throat puts you at risk for hospital acquired infections which complicates things. It is a really tortuous death. Prayers go to him and his family.
 
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AM64 said:
We've got a place to go, and I can't get my wife moving on getting out of Chattanooga. I have to listen to all "the things we have to do to sell this house" - and the whole list is cosmetic.
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You’ve got time. I don’t think the chattanooga housing bubble will burst anytime soon.
Where are you headed?
 
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AM64 said:
We've got a place to go, and I can't get my wife moving on getting out of Chattanooga. I have to listen to all "the things we have to do to sell this house" - and the whole list is cosmetic.
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The only cosmetic change you need to sell a house in Chattanooga is a for sale sign in the front yard. 😁
 
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AM64 said:
True, my wife has a lot of family near Glens Falls. Her father brought them south decades ago - he's well into his 90's. The closest other relatives are cousins - most of the aunts and uncles died of cancer of one form or another. Seems like a common affliction up there.
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I went to South Glen Falls HS.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Again you fail. You seem to lack simple reading comprehension.
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We’re 18 months into this pandemic and you’re blustering about the wrong side of things that were figured out 14-15 months ago.

I truly do not care if you believe me or not. You won’t be the first person on here to pretend that refusing to acknowledge the obvious was less embarrassing than admitting you made a simple mistake and you won’t be the last.

But rather than more stupid bickering, I recommend putting your energy into something a bit more productive. Find a physician you trust and talk to them about effective treatments (monoclonal antibodies etc) and the typical course for bad covid cases and what you need to look out for if somebody close to you gets infected. What happens if they get to the point of cascading organ failure? Hopefully, you won’t have to help make decisions for somebody who gets that sick, but if you do maybe that person will benefit from having somebody who understands these things as their advocate rather than the guy who doesn’t know anything and doesn’t know how to handle being wrong.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Another 80% vaxed infection rate this time in a hospital

San Francisco hospitals report hundreds of COVID-19 infections among vaccinated staff
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What % of the staff is vaccinated?
How many employees vs. how many confirmed cases?

You need those numbers for that statement to have any meaning. They could have 10,000 employees, 99% of whom are vaccinated, and only 70 cases. (So 14% of unvaccinated employees have cases while only .6% of unvaccinated people.

Or they could have 25% of employees vaccinated and have 1000 cases. So then you’ve got 800 cases coming from 2500 vaccinated employees.

One is newsworthy and concerning. The other is the vaccine working. Both have 80% infection rates among vaccinated employees.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I had to remove plumbing today because a lawyer decided to do his own remodel. After grouting the floor he decided to clean out his grout bucket in the sink.
What could possibly go wrong with pouring concrete (that’s what grout is) down a sink. Other than couple thousand dollars in repair cutting out walls to replace plumbing.
It’s not like you guys are all that smart.
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That’s why I consult a doctor before deciding to ingest dewormer.
 
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