Vaccine or not?

[Orangeslice13]

So far they have 3,098 break through cases this year.

Last month they had 16 deaths with 7 of those being completely vaccinated.

Pulled this from nbcboston.com

I am sorry but those are good stats.

https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/h...novel-coronavirus/CriticalIndicatorReport.pdf

 

[Orangeslice13]

So far they have 3,098 break through cases this year.

Last month they had 16 deaths with 7 of those being completely vaccinated.

Pulled this from nbcboston.com

I am sorry but those are good stats.

Again…you have a link?

 

[NEO]

https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/h...novel-coronavirus/CriticalIndicatorReport.pdf

Not seeing where this breaks out vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

I don’t dispute that it’s highly contagious.

I debate that it’s highly deadly.

If you are healthy, eat right, and exercise then the odds you will get seriously ill with this are very very low.

Focus on vaccinating those who need it.

Buy leave people like me, who have had it, and running 40 minutes a day and eat right the F alone.

 

[NEO]

Again…you have a link?

I am in my phone.

When I get to a computer I will send it over sometime later today.

 

[MAD]

Not seeing where this breaks out vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

I don’t dispute that it’s highly contagious.

I debate that it’s highly deadly.

If you are healthy, eat right, and exercise then the odds you will get seriously ill with this are very very low.

Focus on vaccinating those who need it.

Buy leave people like me, who have had it, and running 40 minutes a day and eat right the F alone.

Okay fair enough, so you wouldn’t mind if Hospitals would set limits on how many COVID patients they care for at one time. Keep the rest of their resources available for all other services. Once the unvaccinated fill up their spots, the hospital won't accept anyone new but stays open for the vaccinated w/ other issues.

 

[NEO]

I am in my phone.

When I get to a computer I will send it over sometime later today.

My bad….breakthrough cases are over 15,000 there so far.

 

[NEO]

Okay fair enough, so you wouldn’t mind if Hospitals would set limits on how many COVID patients they care for at one time. Keep the rest of their resources available for all other services. Once the unvaccinated fill up their spots, the hospital won't accept anyone new but stays open for the vaccinated w/ other issues.

That is maybe the dumbest question I have ever been asked.

Sure I am.

Are you ok with limiting services to people who arent 25 or more pounds over weight and have had more than a glass of wine in the last month?

Because the majority of issues in the country come from obesity.

You wanna go down that road too?

Since we are on the topic of health how much do you weigh? Do you smoke? Do you drink? Why should my health insurance company cover an alcoholic?

 

[allvol123]

That is maybe the dumbest question I have ever been asked.

Sure I am.

Are you ok with limiting services to people who arent 25 or more pounds over weight and have had more than a glass of wine in the last month?

Because the majority of issues in the country come from obesity.

You wanna go down that road too?

Since we are on the topic of health how much do you weigh? Do you smoke? Do you drink? Why should my health insurance company cover an alcoholic?

It truly is stupid.

 

[evillawyer]

My bad….breakthrough cases are over 15,000 there so far.

Massachusetts public health officials reported 15,739 total COVID-19 breakthrough cases in fully vaccinated individuals as of Aug. 24, data from the Department of Public Health shows. That’s 3,098 breakthrough cases more than DPH reported one week earlier.

Among the breakthrough cases, 571 patients have been hospitalized and 131 have died.

To date, 0.35% of vaccinated individuals in Massachusetts have tested positive with a breakthrough case and 0.003% of vaccinated individuals have died of COVID-19.

And you're upset about these odds?

 

[MAD]

That is maybe the dumbest question I have ever been asked.

Sure I am.

Are you ok with limiting services to people who arent 25 or more pounds over weight and have had more than a glass of wine in the last month?

Because the majority of issues in the country come from obesity.

You wanna go down that road too?

Since we are on the topic of health how much do you weigh? Do you smoke? Do you drink? Why should my health insurance company cover an alcoholic?

Tampa Bay has stopped all elective surgeries because of the unvaccinated, no other reason.

 

[VolStrom]

Tampa Bay has stopped all elective surgeries because of the unvaccinated, no other reason.

They don't call them elective because you have to have them right away or you die.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Not seeing where this breaks out vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

I don’t dispute that it’s highly contagious.

I debate that it’s highly deadly.

If you are healthy, eat right, and exercise then the odds you will get seriously ill with this are very very low.

Focus on vaccinating those who need it.

Buy leave people like me, who have had it, and running 40 minutes a day and eat right the F alone.

Here’s the thing
It doesn’t have to be deadly at this volume to kill shitloads of people. Hospitals are being overrun by a 7/10 of 1 % killer.
You’re healthy….good for you. Don’t get in a car wreck or have any other emergency or you’re ****ed. And don’t give me that garbage about running off staff either. I’ve seen it firsthand the last few weeks. There’s staff but there’s not a lot of beds.


Edit: how many people do you think fit that “if you’re healthy” category? Look around you right now. I’m seeing 3-4% of the population that fits your list

 

[Hunerwadel]

Not really. A better take would be to stop being authoritarian ass wipes on the jab and recognize people are going to get sick regardless and to have the therapeutics at the ready to decrease the chances of hospitalization. We’ve largely got what we’ve got on vaccination rate I’d guess so time to plan for cutting the hospitalization rate.

How is taking the position that the country would fare better if everyone chose to be vaccinated considered authoritarian? I do consider healthy people who refuse vaccination to be selfish and rather stupid but I'm not for forcing anyone.

 

[NEO]

Here’s the thing
It doesn’t have to be deadly at this volume to kill shitloads of people. Hospitals are being overrun by a 7/10 of 1 % killer.
You’re healthy….good for you. Don’t get in a car wreck or have any other emergency or you’re ****ed. And don’t give me that garbage about running off staff either. I’ve seen it firsthand the last few weeks. There’s staff but there’s not a lot of beds.

This is a different conversation though.

We are moving from vaccine efficiency to hospital management.

Here in middle TN my wife has been to Vandy twice for check ups and my dad just had eye surgery down town at Vandy. No issues.

Also, maybe it would help if the CDC actually posted ways to help with symptoms like breathing. My doctor friend is telling people to boil salt water and breathe in the steam to help open the lungs and so far it has kept two of our friends out of the ER. Both are heavy by the way.

 

[NEO]

How is taking the position that the country would fare better if everyone chose to be vaccinated considered authoritarian? I do consider healthy people who refuse vaccination to be selfish and rather stupid but I'm not for forcing anyone.

Do you consider overweight people who refuse to lose weight selfish?

 

[Septic]

This is a different conversation though.

We are moving from vaccine efficiency to hospital management.

Here in middle TN my wife has been to Vandy twice for check ups and my dad just had eye surgery down town at Vandy. No issues.

Also, maybe it would help if the CDC actually posted ways to help with symptoms like breathing. My doctor friend is telling people to boil salt water and breathe in the steam to help open the lungs and so far it has kept two of our friends out of the ER. Both are heavy by the way.

It's not a different conversation at all.

Check ups are wholly different from the resource requirements demanded by acutely ill covid patients.

 

[Hunerwadel]

So not dying in equal numbers makes the vaccine effective? Against a virus they only kills 1 percent overall anyways?

Lmao.

That’s cute.

Yes it does show that the vaccine is effective when unvaccinated people are dying at a higher rate than vaccinated people. 1% is not insignificant IMO. Especially if have a significant chance of not getting sick to begin with.

 

[NorthDallas40]

How is taking the position that the country would fare better if everyone chose to be vaccinated considered authoritarian? I do consider healthy people who refuse vaccination to be selfish and rather stupid but I'm not for forcing anyone.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion. I’m sure they have an equally dim view of your opinion also.

 

[Hunerwadel]

Do you consider overweight people who refuse to lose weight selfish?

They are only hurting themselves. People who get covid can take others down with them.

 

[NEO]

It's not a different conversation at all.

Check ups are wholly different from the resource requirements demanded by acutely ill covid patients.

Are you for mandatory weight loss of all US Citizens more than 15 pounds over weight or they lose health insurance and are not allowed access to health care?

Are you for also banning drug addicts from health care and hospital care?

Are you for banning convicted criminals who are shot and need medical care from ER access?

 

[NEO]

They are only hurting themselves. People who get covid can take others down with them.

So a fat man stocking the house with junk food doesn’t hurt her kids????

 

[allvol123]

They are only hurting themselves. People who get covid can take others down with them.

Lol, so they dont require hospital resources?

This is glorious.

Also, they dont only affect themselves. Their behavior is picked up by their children.

 

[NEO]

Yes it does show that the vaccine is effective when unvaccinated people are dying at a higher rate than vaccinated people. 1% is not insignificant IMO. Especially if have a significant chance of not getting sick to begin with.

1 percent isn’t significant???

Lmao!

The overall total death rate from everyone is right at 1 percent.

You just admitted the whole damn thing is insignificant and overblown.

Well done……

 

[NorthDallas40]

They are only hurting themselves. People who get covid can take others down with them.

People with the vax transmit it also at apparently same strength viral load thus the “just get the jab” ultimatum tends to fall on deaf ears. Instead let’s be prepared to insure the lowest risk of hospitalization when people ultimately get sick. The jab is one piece of that but MAb’s also appear to work wonders.

“If it saves only one life…” … right?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Tampa Bay has stopped all elective surgeries because of the unvaccinated, no other reason.

Because of staffing and costs related to Covid. Not the same thing