Vaccine or not?

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Vjcvette said:
The Delta variant, which was first detected in India, is roughly twice as infectious as the original virus and as much as 60 percent more transmissible than the Alpha variant, which was first identified in Britain.4 days ago
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Correct. So then you understand that we will be dealing with variants until the third world is vaccinated. So sometime around 2030.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
So, over the past 19 months, the chance of a child dying from COVID-19 is approximately 1:200,000, which is about the same risk of dying from a lightning strike.

There have been 1.6 admissions per day at our local children's hospital, down from just over 2/day two weeks ago. The vast majority of those are discharged after 1-2 days of routine observation. Despite multiple admissions of medically-complex children, including the one chronicled so dramatically on local news a couple of weeks ago, there have still been zero deaths.

Every pediatric office and ER in the area is seeing many CV19 patients a day, right now. Other than an occasional referral for MAb treatment due to risk factors, these kids are not going to the hospital and are no sicker than with a routine cold. At least half of the parents I give "positive" results to act surprised, because they expected their kid(s)
to be so much sicker (given what they are seeing on social media and the news, like what you are posting).
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The reality is the video's that I posted are happening, those children in the video's are very sick Yes? So when it is your child that is seriously ill with covid, you don't give a
flip what the stats are
 
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#6,864
Vjcvette said:
Hey they want answers from me, and I give them answers
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Some of them actually want concrete, falsifiable statements of fact that they can disagree with or disprove because it validates their decision. You’re playing the roll of the contrarian guest on Tucker Carlson.
 
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Arguing with people about the vaccine just makes them more defensive. People don’t like being talked down to (which is why I think the vaccine rate has stalled after such a good beginning). I try to use compassion and niceness. We as a nation have gotten (from Social Media largely) of rude condescension. We don’t talk TO each other anymore, we talk AT people. Our audience becomes no longer the person we argue WITH. Our true audience is those who agree with us and our goal is to get „likes“ to affirm our correct thinking. And yes, I am self aware enough to know that I really hope I get lots of likes and agreement for this message. 😉
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Some of them actually want concrete, falsifiable statements of fact that they can disagree with or disprove because it validates their decision. You’re playing the roll of the contrarian guest on Tucker Carlson.
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I am only stating my position, which I believe that I am allowed
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Arguing with people about the vaccine just makes them more defensive. People don’t like being talked down to (which is why I think the vaccine rate has stalled after such a good beginning). I try to use compassion and niceness. We as a nation have gotten (from Social Media largely) of rude condescension. We don’t talk TO each other anymore, we talk AT people. Our audience becomes no longer the person we argue WITH. Our true audience is those who agree with us and our goal is to get „likes“ to affirm our correct thinking. And yes, I am self aware enough to know that I really hope I get lots of likes and agreement for this message. 😉
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I am not stating my position to get likes, but I am allowed to voice my position and if people do not like my position, I can't do anything about it
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Arguing with people about the vaccine just makes them more defensive. People don’t like being talked down to (which is why I think the vaccine rate has stalled after such a good beginning). I try to use compassion and niceness. We as a nation have gotten (from Social Media largely) of rude condescension. We don’t talk TO each other anymore, we talk AT people. Our audience becomes no longer the person we argue WITH. Our true audience is those who agree with us and our goal is to get „likes“ to affirm our correct thinking. And yes, I am self aware enough to know that I really hope I get lots of likes and agreement for this message. 😉
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there you go…👍🏻

But I do agree. I wish there was someone who would actually address people’s concerns with vaccination without resorting to shame and name calling.

Kids are obviously a touchy issue. We ALL want the best for them. There are some inconsistencies in how the US is approaching this disease in kids. The CDC is recommending masking and vaccines in youth at ages much younger than many other nations and what even the WHO recommends. And this is contrast against 18 months of data that show serious illness and death from Covid in patients under 18 is similar or lower than other respiratory illnesses.

So, it would be nice to have a discussion about these inconsistencies without being heckled and shamed with appeals to emotion.
 
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There are variants developing in areas of the WORLD with low vaccination rates. However these variants, so far, have not been found to originate in the US. Delta, though originating in India, is affecting unvaccinated in the US at a higher rate than vaccinated. But it didn’t originate here as a result of the “unvaccinated” in the US.

This also goes to the point of why are we recommending additional vaccine boosters and vaccinating low risk individuals when these doses could better be used in other regions where vaccines aren’t as readily available. This would go further to stop the development of the menacing variants instead of just overprotecting our US population.
 
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