Vaccine or not?

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Vjcvette said:
Unvaccinated People Are Fueling Coronavirus Variants
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You do realize you are arguing with a physician who has treated coronavirus for the past 19 months, yes?

Don't believe everything you read. The most concerning variants we have seen lately emerged from India and South Africa, not Trumpers in the Southern U.S. They are escaping vaccine immunity, which is expected, given the rapid mutation rate of respiratory viruses and the narrow protection offered by mRNA vaccines.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
What numbers do you want? I have all the local info.
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My main point is that young kids get covid and it can be serious and all the more important for everyone to get
vaccinated so that we have our best shot at eradicating this vicious virus
 
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kiddiedoc said:
You do realize you are arguing with a physician who has treated coronavirus for the past 19 months, yes?

Don't believe everything you read. The most concerning variants we have seen lately emerged from India and South Africa, not Trumpers in the Southern U.S. They are escaping vaccine immunity, which is expected, given the rapid mutation rate of respiratory viruses and the narrow protection offered by mRNA vaccines.
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Dont you know that the man with experience is always at the mercy of the one with an argument? :p Stop with your whole "facts" thing. The response to this pandemic is about the SCIENCE! (until that is inconvenient as well) DAMMIT MAN, JUST LISTEN AND OBEY!
 
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Vjcvette said:
Take your pick, a vaccine or a ventilator
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This is such an exaggeration. I get it, you think everyone should be vaccinated. But your “vaccine or ventilator” statement is just statistically and realistically inaccurate. It’s more of the same fear/emotion based argument that’s quite silly.
 
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Vjcvette said:
If everyone is vaccinated, eventually infections drop to zero and so do variants,“ Parikh said. “But if the virus has an easy host, such as an unvaccinated individual, then it is easy for it to mutate into a more contagious and virulent form.”Aug 10, 2021

Unvaccinated People Are Fueling Coronavirus Variants
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What country did the Delta variant originate? We are years away from variants not popping up even if 100% of the US was vaccinated
 
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kiddiedoc said:
You do realize you are arguing with a physician who has treated coronavirus for the past 19 months, yes?

Don't believe everything you read. The most concerning variants we have seen lately emerged from India and South Africa, not Trumpers in the Southern U.S. They are escaping vaccine immunity, which is expected, given the rapid mutation rate of respiratory viruses and the narrow protection offered by mRNA vaccines.
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If I believed everything that I read, since I am vaccinated I would be thinking that I was now Magnetic, and being tracked and having my location known
and my vital signs known.......lol
 
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volfanhill said:
What country did the Delta variant originate? We are years away from variants not popping up even if 100% of the US was vaccinated
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The Delta variant, which was first detected in India, is roughly twice as infectious as the original virus and as much as 60 percent more transmissible than the Alpha variant, which was first identified in Britain.4 days ago
 
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kiddiedoc said:
It appears right now that vaccinating the at-risk, looking at better vaccine options, EARLY treatment with MAb, and exploring therapeutic options (including ivermectin, oral steroids) as an outpatient are the options.
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Seems like the most reasonable approach.

Let's hope reason wins out in the near future.
 
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615vols said:
This is such an exaggeration. I get it, you think everyone should be vaccinated. But your “vaccine or ventilator” statement is just statistically and realistically inaccurate. It’s more of the same fear/emotion based argument that’s quite silly.
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Tell that to someone who spent weeks in the hospital and then had to learn to walk again and have permanent lung damage and they
will talk a little different than you are talking
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How many variants have originated in the US thus far?
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Driving the latest wave is the highly contagious Delta variant, which according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) caused between 80% and 87% of all U.S. COVID-19 cases in the last 2 weeks of July—up from 8% to 14% in early June.Aug 4, 2021
 
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Vjcvette said:
Driving the latest wave is the highly contagious Delta variant, which according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) caused between 80% and 87% of all U.S. COVID-19 cases in the last 2 weeks of July—up from 8% to 14% in early June.Aug 4, 2021
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That didn't answer my question.

How many variants originated in the US?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That didn't answer my question.

How many variants originated in the US?
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The World Health Organization has designated variants Eta, Iota, Kappa, and Lambda “variants of interest” and is tracking 13 additional variants that originated in the U.S., Brazil, the Philippines, Indonesia, Colombia, and other nations.Aug 5, 2021
 
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Vjcvette said:
Tell that to someone who spent weeks in the hospital and then have to learn to walk again and have permanent lung damage and they
will talk a little different than you are talking
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Like I said, fear and emotion based argument. The situation you are describing isn’t the norm. The statement you made “vaccine or ventilator” isn’t accurate. Feel free to post the statistics to back your claim up though.
Also, sorry that happened to you or someone you care about. I personally know 6 of my family members have caught covid between June and now. My parents are both upper 50’s, smoked for 20 years of their lives, but otherwise fit/healthy. They recovered without any hospital visits, dads back at work, life back to normal. My sister had zero issue with it, nor my brother in law or his family. Reality shows it’s not “vaccine or ventilator “.
 
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Vjcvette said:
The World Health Organization has designated variants Eta, Iota, Kappa, and Lambda “variants of interest” and is tracking 13 additional variants that originated in the U.S., Brazil, the Philippines, Indonesia, Colombia, and other nations.Aug 5, 2021
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Hmmm, Delta is the variant that is of concern to everyone. These other variants are not significant and only being tracked.
 
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Vjcvette said:
My point is that young children can get very sick with covid
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So, over the past 19 months, the chance of a child dying from COVID-19 is less than 1:200,000, which is about the same risk of dying from a lightning strike.

There have been 1.6 admissions per day at our local children's hospital, down from just over 2/day two weeks ago. The vast majority of those are discharged after 1-2 days of routine observation. Despite multiple admissions of medically-complex children, including the one chronicled so dramatically on local news a couple of weeks ago, there have still been zero deaths.

Every pediatric office and ER in the area is seeing many CV19 patients a day, right now. Other than an occasional referral for MAb treatment due to risk factors, these kids are not going to the hospital and are no sicker than with a routine cold. At least half of the parents I give "positive" results to act surprised, because they expected their kid(s)
to be so much sicker (given what they are seeing on social media and the news, like what you are posting).
 
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