Vaccine or not?

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#7,154
RockyTop85 said:
There are reasons. He explains them in your video.
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They realized that the vaccinated did spread the virus just as well as or close to the same rate as unvaccinated. If that wasn't the case, they wouldn't have required the same remedy/guidance for both groups.

If you want to haggle about whether it is equal to the unvaccinated, have at it. But at the very least, there wouldn't have been a move to require the same guidance for both groups if the two groups were not at least in the same ballpark with regards to spreading.
 
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#7,155
RockyTop85 said:
It’s all over the CDC website that vaccination reduces likelihood of spreading the virus. They, again, would benefit by explaining this more clearly but it seems to be based on reduced likelihood of infection, shorter periods of contagiousness, and lower level of virus in the nose on average. I don’t have links to that, I could try to find them later.

Vaccinated People Who Get Infected Carry Less Covid-19 Virus, CDC Researchers Say
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I used to agree. But the study you linked was pre-delta. Things have changed. That’s why I linked the later data.
 
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#7,157
Vjcvette said:
I listen to the experts, you listen to who ever you want
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Please go back and look at my posts and tell me when I have referred to anything but our current factual data. Go ahead. Make my day.

Did you major in “Logical Fallacies?”
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They realized that the vaccinated did spread the virus just as well as or close to the same rate as unvaccinated. If that wasn't the case, they wouldn't have required the same remedy/guidance for both groups.

If you want to haggle about whether it is equal to the unvaccinated, have at it. But at the very least, there wouldn't have been a move to require the same guidance for both groups if the two groups were not at least in the same ballpark with regards to spreading.
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No that’s not correct. It’s to the point of being dishonest when you posted a video that says it’s not correct.
 
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newyorkvol said:
Please go back and look at my posts and tell me when I have referred to anything but our current factual data. Go ahead. Make my day.

Did you major in “Logical Fallacies?”
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  • However, like prior variants, the amount of viral genetic material may go down faster in fully vaccinated people when compared to unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people will likely spread the virus for less time than unvaccinated people.
Vaccines
This is what the CDC is saying as of August 26, 2021
 
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Vjcvette said:
What did you major in.......or did you major in anything
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Read the research. Please. I’m a proponent of vaccines. But delta ia clearly being shown to have similar viral loads in vaccinated as in unvaccinated. To claim that a vaccinated person isn’t capable of spreading is disingenuous. Vaccines clearly reduce illness severity and death. But transmission is a completely different story.
 
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#7,166
newyorkvol said:
Read the research. Please. I’m a proponent of vaccines. But delta ia clearly being shown to have similar viral loads in vaccinated as in unvaccinated. To claim that a vaccinated person isn’t capable of spreading is disingenuous. Vaccines clearly reduce illness severity and death. But transmission is a completely different story.
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No one claimed that a vaccinated person isn't capable of spreading the virus........the wording from the CDC was "reduced" spreading.....scroll back so that you look like you know at least a
little about what you are talking about
 
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#7,167
newyorkvol said:
I used to agree. But the study you linked was pre-delta. Things have changed. That’s why I linked the later data.
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Your link doesn’t say what you’re inferring from it.

You are taking a study that concludes “vaccinated people are more likely to spread delta than alpha” to mean “vaccinated people are as likely as unvaccinated people to spread delta” and that’s just not a valid conclusion from this.

Also, from your link:
However, vaccinated people with Delta might remain infectious for a shorter period, according to researchers in Singapore who tracked viral loads for each day of COVID-19 infection among people who had and hadn’t been vaccinated. Delta viral loads were similar for both groups for the first week of infection, but dropped quickly after day 7 in vaccinated people. “Given the high virus levels seen in the first week of illness with Delta, measures such as masks and hand hygiene which can reduce transmission are important for everyone, regardless of vaccination status,” says co-author Barnaby Young, an infectious-disease clinician at the National Centre for Infectious Diseases in Singapore.

One massive analysis of Delta transmission comes from the UK REACT-1 programme, led by a team at Imperial College London, which tests more than 100,000 UK volunteers every few weeks. The team ran Ct analyses for samples received in May, June and July, when Delta was rapidly replacing other variants to become the dominant driver of COVID-19 in the country. The results suggested that among people testing positive, those who had been vaccinated had a lower viral load on average than did unvaccinated people. Paul Elliott, an epidemiologist at Imperial, says that these results differ from other Ct studies because this study sampled the population at random and included people who tested positive without showing symptoms.
 
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newyorkvol said:
Read the research. Please. I’m a proponent of vaccines. But delta ia clearly being shown to have similar viral loads in vaccinated as in unvaccinated. To claim that a vaccinated person isn’t capable of spreading is disingenuous. Vaccines clearly reduce illness severity and death. But transmission is a completely different story.
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Vjcvette said:
COVID-19 vaccines are effective at protecting you from COVID-19, especially severe illness and death. COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. If you are fully vaccinated, you can resume activities that you did before the pandemic.
 
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newyorkvol said:
Read the research. Please. I’m a proponent of vaccines. But delta ia clearly being shown to have similar viral loads in vaccinated as in unvaccinated. To claim that a vaccinated person isn’t capable of spreading is disingenuous. Vaccines clearly reduce illness severity and death. But transmission is a completely different story.
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The key word here is "Reduce"...............no one claimed what you just said........................
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Also, from your link:
However, vaccinated people with Delta might remain infectious for a shorter period, according to researchers in Singapore who tracked viral loads for each day of COVID-19 infection among people who had and hadn’t been vaccinated. Delta viral loads were similar for both groups for the first week of infection, but dropped quickly after day 7 in vaccinated people. “Given the high virus levels seen in the first week of illness with Delta, measures such as masks and hand hygiene which can reduce transmission are important for everyone, regardless of vaccination status,” says co-author Barnaby Young, an infectious-disease clinician at the National Centre for Infectious Diseases in Singapore.
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That doesn't invalidate the point that was made about the vaccinated spreading just as much as the unvaccinated. You do realize that, correct? Even if it does attenuate over time, the fact remains that there is that window of time where they are equal.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That doesn't invalidate the point that was made about the vaccinated spreading just as much as the unvaccinated. You do realize that, correct? Even if it does attenuate over time, the fact remains that there is that window of time where they are equal.
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Yes it does. 😂

If it’s only possible for someone to be equally contagious for a shorter period of time, that’s less risk of transmission.

That limited analysis doesn’t even involve consideration of the diminished likelihood that they are even contagious to begin with.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That doesn't invalidate the point that was made about the vaccinated spreading just as much as the unvaccinated. You do realize that, correct? Even if it does attenuate over time, the fact remains that there is that window of time where they are equal.
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And when viral loads drop quicker in vaccinated people, they would not be spreading it for the length of time that an unvaccinated person would, so it is not equal.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That doesn't invalidate the point that was made about the vaccinated spreading just as much as the unvaccinated. You do realize that, correct? Even if it does attenuate over time, the fact remains that there is that window of time where they are equal.
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Hello......anybody home over there..........shorter time of being contagious.......not equal
 
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