Vaccine or not?

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0nelilreb said:
Let me slow this way down for you … by definition, Biden declared a mandate today . All news organizations are calling it a vaccine mandate , I’m calling it that , Oxford is calling it a mandate .. you are the only Jack wagon not calling that . Read slower
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He can't own the downside
 
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0nelilreb said:
Let me slow this way down for you … by definition, Biden declared a mandate today . All news organizations are calling it a vaccine mandate , I’m calling it that , Oxford is calling it a mandate .. you are the only Jack wagon not calling that . Read slower
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I don't gaf what someone in the media calls it or how it's being portrayed or spun by pundits.

A vaccination mandate would imply that the vaccination is mandatory.

...and yet, it is not.

It's a mandate that one show proof of the vaccine or show proof of a negative test. Options make the mandatory vaccine mandate fear mongering laughable.

This really shouldn't be that hard for a grown up to reconcile.

You can keep your job and not get the vaccine even if you work for an employer with more than 100 ee's -ergo, it is not a "vaccine mandate." This is the immovable object of objective statements.
 
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Caculator said:
Sane employers would understand their business can not survive a reduction in employees.
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Smart employers would realize that the ones still holding out for political reasons aren't that bright and are almost assuredly easily replaceable.
 
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Septic said:
I don't gaf what someone in the media calls it or how it's being portrayed or spun by pundits.

A vaccination mandate would imply that the vaccination is mandatory.

...and yet, it is not.

It's a mandate that one show proof of the vaccine or show proof of a negative test. Options make the mandatory vaccine mandate fear mongering laughable.

This really shouldn't be that hard for a grown up to reconcile.

You can keep your job and not get the vaccine even if you work for an employer with more than 100 ee's -ergo, it is not a "vaccine mandate." This is the immovable object of objective statements.
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The choices you make between the two MANDATES matter not , they are still mandates .
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
You sure about that? There will be new considerations in hiring and laying off now. The kneejerk reaction is everyone should be vaxed but...If you have under 100 employees, the new rules don't apply. Plus, the vaccination requirements have no end with endless variants. So, are the employers going to be fined if vaccinated employees don't get the next booster, and the next booster? I have already heard where some vaccinated employees are going to be laid off (to get under 100) so as to not subject the whole small business to these rules. By the way, how many people do you employ in your far flung enterprise?
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Yes, I'm sure that sane employers don't want sick employees.
 
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0nelilreb said:
The choices you make between the two MANDATES matter not , they are still mandates .
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That "mandate(s)" were given wasn't the argument, it was that this was a vaccination mandate.

Of which it is not.
 
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Septic said:
That "mandate(s)" were given wasn't the argument, it was that this was a vaccination mandate.

Of which it is not.
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Go back and look .. I said they were Both mandates , which they are . Two choices given by the potus to companies .. mandates
 
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OHvol40 said:
You sure can prolong a normal conversation.
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Ok, who's not counting those with naturally-acquired immunity as "protected"?

Biden
Federal jobs (except postal workers)
Hawaii
Concerts
Many healthcare facilities/corporations (soon)
OSHA
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Ok, who's not counting those with naturally-acquired immunity as "protected"?

Biden
Federal jobs (except postal workers)
Hawaii
Concerts
Many healthcare facilities/corporations (soon)
OSHA
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Ok, if you have lab tests confirming your immunity, sure you should be counted. What % of people have that confirmation?
 
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OHvol40 said:
Ok, if you have lab tests confirming your immunity, sure you should be counted. What % of people have that confirmation?
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No idea, but about 3/4 of my office does. It's an easy test and available for $40 at LabCorp without a physician order.

Why is nobody including this group? We are, in fact, the surest to be safe, as there is no guarantee that everybody will react appropriately to any vaccine. That's why many occupations/schools/OBs check titers for things like Hep B, rubella, etc.
 
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In addition, studies have clearly shown that immunity after infection lasts for at least 8-9 months, and likely much longer. So, I would include documentation of a positive test within some past time frame as acceptable.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
I thought you righties were hard core constitutionalists. I know I am. BTW I'm pro gun ownership and carry and pro hunting. I suspect I own more guns than the average righty on this forum. I carry my PM9 IWB almost every day. I would carry it every day but some days I stay home.
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The very act of abortion impacts the life and infringes on the rights of another individual. So it’s not a my body my choice scenario and much less so than the freedom to choose to mask, be vaxed or even smoke. One directly and unequivocally negatively harms another being, the others have the POTENTIAL to negatively impact another being.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
No idea, but about 3/4 of my office does. It's an easy test and available for $40 at LabCorp without a physician order.

Why is nobody including this group? We are, in fact, the surest to be safe, as there is no guarantee that everybody will react appropriately to any vaccine. That's why many occupations/schools/OBs check titers for things like Hep B, rubella, etc.
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Yes, I understand. The problem is getting all of these people confirmation. You and I know that people will just walk in and say “I’m good, I’ve already had Covid” without any proof of immunity. The other variable is how long each route of acquiring immunity lasts, and how well it protects against each variant that is sure to pop up.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Go back and look .. I said they were Both mandates , which they are . Two choices given by the potus to companies .. mandates
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Go back and look yourself, it's not a vaccine mandate. Which is what I've maintained this whole time.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Yes, I understand. The problem is getting all of these people confirmation. You and I know that people will just walk in and say “I’m good, I’ve already had Covid” without any proof of immunity. The other variable is how long each route of acquiring immunity lasts, and how well it protects against each variant that is sure to pop up.
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If you can carry a vaccine card, why couldn't you carry a lab result paper or a digital image on your phone?
 
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Septic said:
There is no mandate to get vaccinated because you have an option to choose testing.

Now, re-read that slowly and articulate to me how having an option to keep your job without the vaccine jab equates to a vaccination requirement.

I'll hang up and listen.
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I assume if regular drug testing at jobs is ok, getting regular covid testing passes as well.
 
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