Vaccine or not?

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ClearwaterVol said:
Again, my piece of mind. I've looked at the studies and reached my own conclusions. I haven't attacked anyone for not getting vaxed. I have said it was their choice, but because I chose to get vaxed I have a bunch of dick bags on a message board coming at me. It is amusing that the "freedom loving" conservative fringe loons only love freedom when it is theirs.
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I agree. An unforeseen part of this plague has been the politicization of it. By both sides.

But if you have only experienced negative reactions to your vax status online you are lucky. Imagine the real life implications and interactions of being unvaxxed. Denial of access, denial of services, job loss, further mask/social distancing requirements.

You may not push for vaccination yourself, but you arent expressing any displeasure with those who do.
 
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LouderVol said:
I think his point was: does the booster actually reduce your risk?

All the cases I have seen here in America, and then in S Africa (7 total so incredibly small sample size) have been vaxxed.
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He believes the booster protects them, so it does. That's all that matters. He (and too many others) won't remotely consider the mounting evidence that they don't.

And now that the benevolent government has screamed "Omicron", these panicky people have gone back into panic mode.

Too bad Peyton didn't use that instead of Omaha. It would be hilarious.
 
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LouderVol said:
I agree. An unforeseen part of this plague has been the politicization of it. By both sides.

But if you have only experienced negative reactions to your vax status online you are lucky. Imagine the real life implications and interactions of being unvaxxed. Denial of access, denial of services, job loss, further mask/social distancing requirements.

You may not push for vaccination yourself, but you arent expressing any displeasure with those who do.
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I am not for government mandates. I do think each employer has the right to do what they see fit for their business model.

As far as provision of medical services... I believe that we should service everyone to the best of our ability, however if there is one bed open and 2 covid patients one vaxed and one unvaxed (equally sick) I would triage that bed to the vaxed.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
He believes the booster protects them, so it does. That's all that matters. He (and too many others) won't remotely consider the mounting evidence that they don't.

And now that the benevolent government has screamed "Omicron", these panicky people have gone back into panic mode.

Too bad Peyton didn't use that instead of Omaha. It would be hilarious.
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I am not panicky at all. The actual evidence I have seen is that it does lessen the risk.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I am not panicky at all. The actual evidence I have seen is that it does lessen the risk.
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I guess I owe you a bit of an apology. President douchenozzle is forcing me to have to justify why I don't want these ****ing 'vaccines' (which incidentally is absolutely nobody's business), and today I have to go see a doctor and try to BEG him to sign off on a medical reason/concern - which is very legitimate - as to why I don't what this **** in my body.... and then I read your post.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I guess I owe you a bit of an apology. President douchenozzle is forcing me to have to justify why I don't want these ****ing 'vaccines' (which incidentally is absolutely nobody's business), and today I have to go see a doctor and try to BEG him to sign off on a medical reason/concern - which is very legitimate - as to why I don't what this **** in my body.... and then I read your post.
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Sorry you're going through that. I think the federal mandate is way overreaching in a case like this.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
As far as provision of medical services... I believe that we should service everyone to the best of our ability, however if there is one bed open and 2 covid patients one vaxed and one unvaxed (equally sick) I would triage that bed to the vaxed.
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Why? Shouldn't the vax save that person? Isn't the unvax'ed at more risk? And how would they be the same? Vax makes everything mild.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I am not for government mandates. I do think each employer has the right to do what they see fit for their business model.

As far as provision of medical services... I believe that we should service everyone to the best of our ability, however if there is one bed open and 2 covid patients one vaxed and one unvaxed (equally sick) I would triage that bed to the vaxed.
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Wow. How about insured versus uninsured. How about citizen versus illegal. Well we all know the illegals are un'vaxed', so by your criteria they get kicked out in to the street... so at least there's that.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Wow. How about insured versus uninsured. How about citizen versus illegal. Well we all know the illegals are un'vaxed', so by your criteria they get kicked out in to the street... so at least there's that.
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If there are limited resources then yes a decision must be made.

One bed and two people equally in need... one citizen one illegal. Citizen.
One bed and two people equally in need... one citizen on legal alien - Citizen
One bed and two people equally in need... one insured one destitute... insured.
 
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DrRosenRosen said:
Why? Shouldn't the vax save that person? Isn't the unvax'ed at more risk? And how would they be the same? Vax makes everything mild.
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Did you read what I said... now read it carefully "(equally sick)"

Here's a decision for you...

one bed two people with lung cancer lifelong smoker v. never smoked - who gets the bed?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Did you read what I asked? If I asked then the answer is yes.
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Imagine thinking you have a leg to stand on while being absolutely clueless about the data, the state of the world, the response to the illness...

Ignorance. Pure ignorance. And combined with maliciousness.
 
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VolinWayne said:
It wouldn't matter what study I posted. If it goes against the common mainstream narrative you either dismiss it as "right wing" or you simply ignore it. Honestly your "right wing" spiel has gotten quite old and it's actually pretty comical. Think about all of the lies that have been told (in unison) by many of the leading news networks. Lies that have been proven to be lies but then it's just simply ignored.

Yesterday I posted some numbers coming in from the CDC that basically prove that vaccines do not stop the spread of Covid. North Korea has vaccinated 80.2 percent of its population yet they are seeing their largest increase in Covid cases. Something simply just doesn't add up here. Yes, I first saw this on one of my "right wing" news sites but I actually took the time and did some research (from the CDC website) to verify that this news is correct. Why is mainstream news not covering this?
YOU COMPLETELY IGNORED THIS POST.

When I see all of the way the Vaccines are being pushed as the only way moving forward and then I look at the way alternative treatments (thousands of doctors are saying that they actually work) are being suppressed, that throws up a huge red flag for me and makes me realize there is something going on here. Doctors are being fired for doing their jobs and finding actual treatment for people. When in the history of America has this ever happened before. Are you seriously ok with this or are you just ignoring these serious red flags?

You seriously need to wake up and start thinking for yourself. What's your thoughts on what's going on in places like Australia?? Is that what you want here in America. It doesn't happen overnight but if we aren't careful that will be us in 15 years.
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Spot on brother!!
 
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ButchPlz said:
Imagine thinking you have a leg to stand on while being absolutely clueless about the data, the state of the world, the response to the illness...

Ignorance. Pure ignorance. And combined with maliciousness.
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I’m being malicious? I asked what he was talking about in relation to Australia. He responded with a smart a$$ answer.

Gtfoh.
 
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