Vaccine or not?

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#16,729
Volaholic320 said:
The gov wants it skewed.
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And again, they don't report on being hospitalized "with" or "from" COVID. I'd never asked this about the data, and it's making some things over the last year or two make sense- for example, why did we see huge amounts of excess in the respiration/vent equipment in areas that had supposedly skyrocketing hospitalizations in the system we support? Why did we have so much excess PPE in areas that COVID was "crushing"?

On the ground logistics people were operating on both "current" and "projected" hospitalizations, but the clinicians weren't using the stuff that was bought for them- is it because it wasn't needed, because people that were "COVID hospitalizations" were actually there for something else and just happened to have COVID? There's no way I'm going to believe it is just widespread malpractice of some kind by the clinical staff, or that they just didn't have preference for what was sent (considering they had input into the supply lists for the response).
 
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ButchPlz said:
And again, they don't report on being hospitalized "with" or "from" COVID. I'd never asked this about the data, and it's making some things over the last year or two make sense- for example, why did we see huge amounts of excess in the respiration/vent equipment in areas that had supposedly skyrocketing hospitalizations in the system we support? Why did we have so much excess PPE in areas that COVID was "crushing"?

On the ground logistics people were operating on both "current" and "projected" hospitalizations, but the clinicians weren't using the stuff that was bought for them- is it because it wasn't needed, because people that were "COVID hospitalizations" were actually there for something else and just happened to have COVID? There's no way I'm going to believe it is just widespread malpractice of some kind by the clinical staff, or that they just didn't have preference for what was sent (considering they had input into the supply lists for the response).
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You're bringing up an unintended consequence of all of this bad data (or deceptive data)... a lot of misallocation of resources.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You're bringing up an unintended consequence of all of this bad data (or deceptive data)... a lot of misallocation of resources.
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It's actually part of my job to deep dive data like this and ask questions, and until the last week or so none of us had thought about that particular element of what could be driving some of the massive excess supplies and equipment we're seeing offloaded/shifted away from certain places. I'm talking millions upon millions of dollars, tens of thousands of pallets of stuff that got shifted to hard hit areas and never was used.

There's no way to know without doing a deep dive study on a region and talking directly with everyone involved. Maybe I can get the all-clear to do it.

(we knew a lot of data was bad, especially some of our log data, procurement data, and inventory data, but what we never considered was how bad and/or misleading the actual COVID data was...we know there are likely problems with it but it is possible that it could be on a massive scale)
 
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utvolpj said:
Not true for the recent variant as numbers were posted that you even attempted to address. They showed that at the very least the number was 40% with many unknowns
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With the variant seemingly infecting everyone (natural immunity, vaccinated, unvaccinated) I expect that hospitalization will probably be a higher percentage of vaccinated as there are a higher percentage of vaccinated people. However as delta disappears and Omni takes over I also expect the hospitalization themselves to go down too.
just my opinion. We will see.
 
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ButchPlz said:
It's actually part of my job to deep dive data like this and ask questions, and until the last week or so none of us had thought about that particular element of what could be driving some of the massive excess supplies and equipment we're seeing offloaded/shifted away from certain places. I'm talking millions upon millions of dollars, tens of thousands of pallets of stuff that got shifted to hard hit areas and never was used.

There's no way to know without doing a deep dive study on a region and talking directly with everyone involved. Maybe I can get the all-clear to do it.

(we knew a lot of data was bad, especially some of our log data, procurement data, and inventory data, but what we never considered was how bad and/or misleading the actual COVID data was...we know there are likely problems with it but it is possible that it could be on a massive scale)
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In another life (I’m like forest Gump. I’ve done a lot of things) I was in supply chain management. Using MRP and MRP2 not a whole lot of JIT. I say that to say there’s a whole lot of things going on that doesn’t make since. Especially with the monoclonal antibody treatments distribution.
I’d be interested to see what you found out if ever given the chance.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
In another life (I’m like forest Gump. I’ve done a lot of things) I was in supply chain management. Using MRP and MRP2 not a whole lot of JIT. I say that to say there’s a whole lot of things going on that doesn’t make since. Especially with the monoclonal antibody treatments distribution.
I’d be interested to see what you found out if ever given the chance.
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The White House
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Possibly. But they certainly can't be helping the matter.
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Sometimes stupid things happen in big supply chain.
For example in early December a supply of 1200 1903a3 Springfield rifles was discovered in a Wearhouse. Wrapped in original paper never fired where they have been since 1926. You’d think that’s just a technology issue but in November Anderson lost an entire truckload of windows. The truck, the windows, everything. As of yesterday they have no idea where it is.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Sometimes stupid things happen in big supply chain.
For example in early December a supply of 1200 1903a3 Springfield rifles was discovered in a Wearhouse. Wrapped in original paper never fired where they have been since 1926. You’d think that’s just a technology issue but in November Anderson lost an entire truckload of windows. The truck, the windows, everything. As of yesterday they have no idea where it is.
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CSX has lost several tanker loads of used oil, been missing since last summer.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Sometimes stupid things happen in big supply chain.
For example in early December a supply of 1200 1903a3 Springfield rifles was discovered in a Wearhouse. Wrapped in original paper never fired where they have been since 1926. You’d think that’s just a technology issue but in November Anderson lost an entire truckload of windows. The truck, the windows, everything. As of yesterday they have no idea where it is.
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Back in the 1990s a branch of the military had a contract structure that required, when they needed new fatigues, that they order a batch that included every size. So if they ran out of Mediums, they had to order a batch that included Small, Medium, Large, X-Large, and XX-Large. This contract structure had been in place since the end of WWII.

So what happened? Someone stumbled on a massive warehouse literally full of XL and XXL uniforms dating back 50+ years. That contract structure eventually got fixed.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Back in the 1990s a branch of the military had a contract structure that required, when they needed new fatigues, that they order a batch that included every size. So if they ran out of Mediums, they had to order a batch that included Small, Medium, Large, X-Large, and XX-Large. This contract structure had been in place since the end of WWII.

So what happened? Someone stumbled on a massive warehouse literally full of XL and XXL uniforms dating back 50+ years. That contract structure eventually got fixed.
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Absolutely believe this.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Sometimes stupid things happen in big supply chain.
For example in early December a supply of 1200 1903a3 Springfield rifles was discovered in a Wearhouse. Wrapped in original paper never fired where they have been since 1926. You’d think that’s just a technology issue but in November Anderson lost an entire truckload of windows. The truck, the windows, everything. As of yesterday they have no idea where it is.
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Anything is within the realm of possibility. I get it. There could be reasonable explanations.

But it is interesting that we didn't start hearing about these supply disruptions with the monoclonal treatment until after Biden made his decision in September. It could be a coincidence and just be totally unrelated. I personally doubt that, but I will leave the door cracked open just enough to leave the possibility that it may just be innocent supply chain hang ups.
 
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ButchPlz said:
This is the only one I feel comfortable sharing. Some of the others you may not actually believe.
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I'd believe it. I've tried to exchange a ripped rucksack only to be told they are out when the warehouse is ****ing full of them.
 
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