Vaccine or not?

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Orangeburst said:
I would be curious to know the data on the Flu...pre vax timeline and after vax timeline. I don't remember when it became available, but maybe 20 years ago it became proficient.

Lets go back and examine flu deaths and hospitilizations..pre vax to current day.
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That would indeed be some very interesting (and telling) data. I would also like to see a comparison of cardiac issues in 2021 compared to the past 10 years. I was doing some research the other day trying to find this but for some reason no information on cardiac issues is given for the past 2 years.
 
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The video below concerns the recent death from COVID, of Kelly Ernby, who was a Deputy District Attorney from Orange County in southern California. She was an outspoken and high-profile anti-vaxxer. She made an appearance on the far-right OAN channel last May and discussed her fight against California Governor Gavin Newsome's mask and vaccination mandates.

It is worth noting, that Kelly Ernby was only 46 years old and in good health just before contracting COVID. She didn't have any pre-existing conditions which would have placed her in an at-risk category of becoming seriously ill from a COVID contraction. As you can see in the video, she wasn't obese either.

I want to emphasize that I take no delight in this woman's passing, which is a tragedy, as they all are. I also condemn the callously insensitive and mean-spirited reaction that the news of her death has sparked from liberals on Twitter. That is cruel. I don't know how those people sleep at night.





Her husband has now confirmed (in the link below) that she was unvaccinated, and he has also added :

"That's the problem," which led to her death.


‘That’s the problem’: Kelly Ernby not vaccinated when she died of Covid says husband


I didn't post this to gloat, or as a way of scoring political debating points against conservatives on here. I just think that every adult should get themselves vaccinated. This type of death is preventable now.
 
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The video below concerns the recent death from COVID, of Kelly Ernby, who was a Deputy District Attorney from Orange County in southern California. She was an outspoken and high-profile anti-vaxxer. She made an appearance on the far-right OAN channel last May and discussed her fight against California Governor Gavin Newsome's mask and vaccination mandates.

It is worth noting, that Kelly Ernby was only 46 years old and in good health just before contracting COVID. She didn't have any pre-existing conditions which would have placed her in at-risk category of becoming seriously ill from a COVID contraction. As you can see in the video, she wasn't obese either.

I want to emphasize that I take no delight in this woman's passing, which is a tragedy, as they all are. I also condemn the callously insensitive and mean-spirited reaction that the news of her death has sparked from liberals on Twitter. That is cruel. I don't know how those people sleep at night.





Her husband has now confirmed (in the link below) that she was unvaccinated, and he has also added :

"That's the problem," which led to her death.


‘That’s the problem’: Kelly Ernby not vaccinated when she died of Covid says husband


I didn't post this to score political debating points against conservatives on here. I just think that every adult should get the vaccine. This type of death is preventable now.
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I'd be interested in knowing what type of treatment she received. Did she receive any type of early treatments (that work). All deaths are a tragedy. I'm glad to hear that she was fighting against tyrannical mandates that are destroying our country.
 
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VolinWayne said:
I'd be interested in knowing what type of treatment she received. Did she receive any type of early treatments (that work). All deaths are a tragedy. I'm glad to hear that she was fighting against tyrannical mandates that are destroying our country.
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That's the thing. I don't think the vaccine, especially if it was more than six months ago, is nearly as important as taking your ass down and getting the regeneron shots as soon as you have symptoms( especially trouble breathing).
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Her husband may have felt the same way you do before she became sick. Now, he probably wishes she had been vaccinated.
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Yes he pretty much stated that. It is a decision that each one of us should be able to make for ourselves without is without any outside pressure pressure. I can provide plenty of cases where the vaccine either caused an injury or worse yet was the cause of death.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
That's the thing. I don't think the vaccine, especially if it was more than six months ago, is nearly as important as taking your ass down and getting the regeneron shots as soon as you have symptoms( especially trouble breathing).
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That's not accurate. You have it backward.

Monoclonal Antibodies vs. Vaccines vs. COVID-19: What to Know

From the above link, in the 2nd paragraph, found under the question "How is it different from a vaccine?" :

"Monoclonal antibodies (such as those made by Regeneron) boost the immune system after you are already sick, speeding up your immune response to prevent COVID-19 from getting worse. 'But a vaccine does this much easier and much better,' Petty says.

You can think of monoclonal antibodies as guided missiles that target and neutralize the virus, Fales says. But they don't stick around. While monoclonal antibodies are effective for about a month, they are gone 6 months later, when a vaccine still offers significant protection."
 
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AshG said:
For the "follow the money" crew, this is a real winner. Turns out there was already a viable vaccine delivery system available but it just wasn't flashy or cool enough for the .gov to care. $1.50 a dose, top end.



"When a new strain of coronavirus triggered the COVID-19 pandemic, Hotez and Bottazzi figured they could dust off their old technology and modify it for use against COVID-19. After all, the virus causing COVID-19 and the virus causing SARS are quite similar.

Hotez says they tried to interest government officials in the vaccine, but they weren't impressed.

"People were so fixated on innovation that nobody thought, 'Hey, maybe we could use a low-cost, durable, easy-breezy vaccine that can vaccinate the whole world,' " Hotez says."
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This 100% sounds like something Trump would do.

Of course Biden hasnt stepped up to the plate either.
 
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VolinWayne said:
That would indeed be some very interesting (and telling) data. I would also like to see a comparison of cardiac issues in 2021 compared to the past 10 years. I was doing some research the other day trying to find this but for some reason no information on cardiac issues is given for the past 2 years.
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It usually takes some time to compile health information. 2 years seems to be the norm for official data.
 
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LouderVol said:
Even if it would have been against her wishes? Her body, his jab?
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I doubt that it was her wish to die. She appeared to be a middle-aged, vibrant professional woman with a lot to live for, and at least 25 more years of life expectancy in front of her. She was in denial of the risk she was taking by not being vaccinated... and now she's dead. It was preventable. If I was her husband right now, I would be wishing that she had been vaccinated. As a partisan political fight? This wasn't worth dying over.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I doubt that it was her wish to die. She appeared to be a middle-aged, vibrant professional woman with a lot to live for, and at least 25 more years of life expectancy in front of her. She was in denial of the risk she was taking by not being vaccinated... and now she's dead. It was preventable. If I was her husband right now, I would be wishing that she had been vaccinated. As a partisan political fight? This wasn't worth dying over.
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Except it wasnt preventable.

The vaccine isnt 100% against Covid cases.
It isnt 100% against hospitalization, especially Omnicron.
And it isnt 100% against death.

Maybe she talked with her doctor and figured out better ways for her to fight Covid that didnt include the vaccine.

Heck CNN JUST figured out losing weight helps against Covid.
 
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>complains that people use anecdotes to prove unsafety of vaccine
>uses single anecdote to browbeat people over the impossibly deadly, hyper dangerous, impossible to recover from coronavirus with >99% chance of survival
 
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LouderVol said:
Except it wasnt preventable.

The vaccine isnt 100% against Covid cases.
It isnt 100% against hospitalization, especially Omnicron.
And it isnt 100% against death.

Maybe she talked with her doctor and figured out better ways for her to fight Covid that didnt include the vaccine.

Heck CNN JUST figured out losing weight helps against Covid.
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Nothing about life is guaranteed, but when it comes to something as important as physical health, a responsible person plays the percentages. Being fully vaccinated with a booster reduces the chances of hospitalization from COVID by between 80 to 85%. The data provides compelling evidence that someone like Kelly Ernby, who is under the age of 50 with no pre-existing conditions, would very likely still be alive right now if she had fully vaccinated herself months ago, and received a booster prior to contraction.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Nothing about life is guaranteed, but when it comes to something as important as physical health, a responsible person plays the percentages. Being fully vaccinated with a booster reduces the chances of hospitalization from COVID by between 80 to 85%. The data provides compelling evidence that someone like Kelly Ernby, who is under the age of 50 with no pre-existing conditions, would very likely still be alive right now if she had fully vaccinated herself months ago, and received a booster prior to contraction.
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The stats also say that she is an outlier to have died even unvaccinated at that age. Like less than 1% chance outlier.

If she had just stayed at home and never interacted with anyone she would have been safer than with your vax.

Everyone has their line, and everyone gets to live(or not) with the consquences.

The fact that you only harp on her vaccine status shows you dont care about her actual safety, but rather her compliance.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That's not accurate. You have it backward.

Monoclonal Antibodies vs. Vaccines vs. COVID-19: What to Know

From the above link, in the 2nd paragraph, found under the question "How is it different from a vaccine?" :

"Monoclonal antibodies (such as those made by Regeneron) boost the immune system after you are already sick, speeding up your immune response to prevent COVID-19 from getting worse. 'But a vaccine does this much easier and much better,' Petty says.

You can think of monoclonal antibodies as guided missiles that target and neutralize the virus, Fales says. But they don't stick around. While monoclonal antibodies are effective for about a month, they are gone 6 months later, when a vaccine still offers significant protection."
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No one has Covid for 6 months. So I’m not sure why you thought that part was important. Also it seems like we are all pretending the vaccine is “gone after 6 months” too. Otherwise why would tv doctors claim I need a booster
 
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utvolpj said:
And if she had died from vax complications like many others would you be advocating for the jabs to cease?
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Please provide a link concerning the case of even one person, who has been conclusively proven to have died from complications stemming from a COVID vaccine.

Which seems more likely to happen?

(A) Dying from COVID vaccines which over 200 million Americans have already fully received, with no apparent complications (at least not as of yet).

OR

(B) Dying from COVID itself, as an otherwise healthy, but unvaccinated 46 year old woman just did.
 
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Vol8188 said:
No one has Covid for 6 months. So I’m not sure why you thought that part was important. Also it seems like we are all pretending the vaccine is “gone after 6 months” too. Otherwise why would tv doctors claim I need a booster
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Nobody said that it did. That information was relevant to the post from @Sandman 423 that I was replying to.
 
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