Vaccine or not?

[Caculator]

Bud: I got my vaccination. I am now protected from the virus.

Lou: Not me. No one’s gonna jab a needle in my arm.



Bud: You must.

Lou: Why?

Bud: To protect me.

Lou: From the virus?

Bud: Yes.



Lou: But I thought you said you were vaccinated.

Bud: I am.

Lou: You’re protected?

Bud: Correct.

Lou: From the virus?

Bud: Yes.

Lou: So, I don’t need a vaccination.

Bud: But you do.


Lou: Why?

Bud: To protect me.

Lou: I thought you were vaccinated.

Bud: I am.








Lou: And the vaccination protects you?

Bud: It does.

Lou: So, I don’t need to get vaccinated to protect you because you’re already protected from the virus by the vaccination you already got.

Bud: No, you must get the vaccination to protect me from the virus.







Lou: You mean the vaccination doesn’t work?

Bud: It does work.

Lou: If the vaccination works and you’re protected from the virus because you already got the vaccination then it doesn’t matter if I don’t get vaccinated.

Bud: But it does matter. Because if you don’t vaccinate you can give me the virus.






Lou: Let me see if I have this straight.

Bud: Okay.

Lou: You got the vaccination?

Bud: Yes.





Lou: The vaccination protects you from the virus?

Bud: Correct.

Lou: So, it doesn’t matter if I don’t get the vaccination because you’re already protected from the virus?

Bud: No.


Lou: Are you telling me the vaccination doesn’t work?

Bud: No, I’m telling you the vaccination does work.

Lou: Then why must I get the vaccination?

Bud: To protect me from the virus.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Only one side of the anecdote is relevant though, according to our new pharma-fascist that's inserted himself into the discussion.

And I guess we can add another one that wants to celebrate death as long as it is people without the shot.

I really wish people would stop with the one case BS.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I doubt that it was her wish to die. She appeared to be a middle-aged, vibrant professional woman with a lot to live for, and at least 25 more years of life expectancy in front of her. She was in denial of the risk she was taking by not being vaccinated... and now she's dead. It was preventable. If I was her husband right now, I would be wishing that she had been vaccinated. As a partisan political fight? This wasn't worth dying over.

No, she likely was not in denial of the risk. She was likely fully aware that most people in decent health and middle aged will have an over 99% survival rate. The odds were in her favor. Unfortunately for her, her number was drawn. That's all it is.

Don't make more of it than what it is.

 

[ButchPlz]

I really wish people would stop with the one case BS.

My wife and I got COVID without vaccines and didn't die so vaccines don't matter

My dad got COVID with vaccines and didn't die so vaccines matter.

Vaccines don't matter has 100% more points therefore it is right. Yay!

 

[Orangeslice13]

My wife and I got COVID without vaccines and didn't die so vaccines don't matter

My dad got COVID with vaccines and didn't die so vaccines matter.

Vaccines don't matter has 100% more points therefore it is right. Yay!

Not sure what any of that has to do with me agreeing that people should stop celebrating death of one person who took the vaccine or celebrating the one death of an unvaccinated person that caught Covid.

Or were you just FOS?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Nothing about life is guaranteed, but when it comes to something as important as physical health, a responsible person plays the percentages. Being fully vaccinated with a booster reduces the chances of hospitalization from COVID by between 80 to 85%. The data provides compelling evidence that someone like Kelly Ernby, who is under the age of 50 with no pre-existing conditions, would very likely still be alive right now if she had fully vaccinated herself months ago, and received a booster prior to contraction.

And that is exactly what she did. I would rather take my chances dealing with one unknown, meaning, I would rather take my chances with COVID and the risks associated with catching COVID. What I am not willing to do is gamble with my life dealing with two unknowns... COVID and these jabs. Not only do I have to deal with the risks associated with COVID, but I also put the risks and unknown long term effects of the jabs into play.

 

[BowlBrother85]

And that is exactly what she did. I would rather take my chances dealing with one unknown, meaning, I would rather take my chances with COVID and the risks associated with catching COVID. What I am not willing to do is gamble with my life dealing with two unknowns... COVID and these jabs. Not only do I have to deal with the risks associated with COVID, but I also put the risks and unknown long term effects of the jabs into play.

No, it's not. The people who are dying from COVID right now, are overwhelmingly the unvaccinated.

 

[VolinWayne]

How about providing just one link to an example of a COVID vaccine which was proven to be the cause of a person's injury or death?

I provided what you asked got plus a few bonus cases. Would you care to comment.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You aren't reading his post very well. He said that a COVID vaccine wouldn't provide protection for more than 6 months, and my link disputed that.

That runs counter to the CDC advise just given a few days ago where they reduced the time between boosters from 6 months to 5 months.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You're ignoring the main reasons those people stand out in history. It's a big difference

I would say lets wait and see a few years down the line what the long term effects of these jabs are before we consider putting them on that list.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

No, it's not. The people who are dying from COVID right now, are overwhelmingly the unvaccinated.

And what is the survival rate?

And what is the definition being used for the term "unvaccinated" in these stats?

 

[Volaholic320]

That is what evil people do, and the left is full of those.

Yep, just like that woman who praised the tornado hitting KY because they didn't support global warming claim. Same idea

 

[BowlBrother85]

I provided what you asked got plus a few bonus cases. Would you care to comment.

I get a lot of people replying to me....

I understand how some of those cases might give room for pause. However, if we are speaking globally here, 3.88 billion people have been fully vaccinated around the world. That amounts to roughly 49.8% of the Earth's human population. How many cases have you found? Is it less than 100? Give me a break.

 

[Weezy]

No, it's not. The people who are dying from COVID right now, are overwhelmingly the unvaccinated.

The thing is that not many people are dying, and those that are dying overwhelmingly fit into a certain demographic.

I don't disagree that this one person would have been less likely to die if vaccinated. How much so is up for debate because Omicron appears to be mutated enough to reduce the efficacy of these vaccines.

But she also had a very low probability of dying. Note, we are assuming she had no comorbidities. I still wonder if vaping is terrible on lungs and just nobody cares, or something like that.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yep, just like that woman who praised the tornado hitting KY because they didn't support global warming claim. Same idea

Schadenfreude

 

[Volaholic320]

Even her husband is saying that she is dead, because she didn't get the vaccine.

You're using stories to trump data that 99.9999% people recover fine from covid just because a woman didn't want to be forced to be vaccinated but she passed.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I get a lot of people replying to me....

I understand how some of those cases might give room for pause. However, if we are speaking globally here, 3.88 billion people have been fully vaccinated around the world. That amounts to roughly 49.8% of the Earth's human population. How many cases have you found? Is it less than 100? Give me a break.

OK, since we are playing the "math" game. 800k deaths in the United States, a country of 340 million people.

 

[Volaholic320]

OK, since we are playing the "math" game. 800k deaths in the United States, a country of 340 million people.

And hospitals changed how they define that person passes. They die from covid is different than dying with covid. If you had hep a and was dying then you get covid, they count that as a covid death.

 

[MG1968]

I get a lot of people replying to me....

I understand how some of those cases might give room for pause. However, if we are speaking globally here, 3.88 billion people have been fully vaccinated around the world. That amounts to roughly 49.8% of the Earth's human population. How many cases have you found? Is it less than 100? Give me a break.

As a percentage of the earth’s population, the number of people who have died from Covid is just as statistically insignificant.

 

[Volaholic320]

This communist tactic of demonizing people is just scary, every person should be worried about LG's gov is doing

 

[Vol8188]

Please provide a link concerning the case of even one person, who has been conclusively proven to have died from complications stemming from a COVID vaccine.

Which seems more likely to happen?

(A) Dying from COVID vaccines which over 200 million Americans have already fully received, with no apparent complications (at least not as of yet).

OR

(B) Dying from COVID itself, as an otherwise healthy, but unvaccinated 46 year old woman just did.

How many of these are you willing to accept in your campaign? What’s the proper number of disabled or dead children for the “if it saves one life” community

Mom details 12-year-old daughter's extreme reactions to COVID vaccine, says she’s now in wheelchair

 

[Vol8188]

This communist tactic of demonizing people is just scary, every person should be worried about LG's gov is doing

The open suppression of information and their defense is insane. I had a friend defend the suppression of Covid origin stories because “Asians were being attacked in the streets”!

 

[615vols]

Well, me and my wife finally caught Covid. She began feeling sick/showing symptoms on Saturday, I started on Sunday. We tested positive on Tuesday. Our symptoms have been body aches, headaches, I ran a fever for the first day or so, my wife had some nausea/vomiting. It literally felt like the flu to me. But, here we are on Thursday and I’m feeling basically 100%, my wife is much better as well. We never experienced any breathing issues at all. Neither one of us vaxxed, came through just fine.

 

[LouderVol]

Even her husband is saying that she is dead, because she didn't get the vaccine.

Ok. Doesnt mean he's right. He is understandably emotional and reacting. That's not science.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Well, me and my wife finally caught Covid. She began feeling sick/showing symptoms on Saturday, I started on Sunday. We tested positive on Tuesday. Our symptoms have been body aches, headaches, I ran a fever for the first day or so, my wife had some nausea/vomiting. It literally felt like the flu to me. But, here we are on Thursday and I’m feeling basically 100%, my wife is much better as well. We never experienced any breathing issues at all. Neither one of us vaxxed, came through just fine.

You and your wife are statistical outliers.