Vaccine or not?

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Vol8188 said:
Do we agree Covid is "statistically insignificant" in terms of it's affect on those under 18? That was my primary point. You disregard vaccine issues as "statistically insignificant", yet the 19 county region that includes Knox county TN has 0 death's under 18 from COVID (that's all variants, ever).

If we are still learning about the vaccine (study suggesting myocarditis in those under 40 was 4x higher for example was posted 12-25-21), it seems we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the concerns of parents as "statistically insignificant".
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I am for parents making informed decisions with their child's medical professional.

That's it. Read nothing else into it.
 
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AshG said:
Probably because they're statistically insignificant, and humanity is a panicky, overactive species.
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Syatistically insignificant?? What number is significant for you? Only when it's your child? Or maybe your view is as long as the media doesn't report it there is no problem. How many children have died of covid when they had no underlying health issues? That number is extremely extremely small. Why would any parent in their right mind jab a child (for a disease that simply will not kill them) with a vaccine that has been proven to have adverse reactions and actually has caused deaths. And we aren't even thinking about long term affects. It's absolutley insane that some people are actually requiring this for children.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Syatistically insignificant?? What number is significant for you? Only when it's your child? Or maybe your view is as long as the media doesn't report it there is no problem. How many children have died of covid when they had no underlying health issues? That number is extremely extremely small. Why would any parent in their right mind jab a child (for a disease that simply will not kill them) with a vaccine that has been proven to have adverse reactions and actually has caused deaths. And we aren't even thinking about long term affects. It's absolutley insane that some people are actually requiring this for children.
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Oh, the feels.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Do we agree Covid is "statistically insignificant" in terms of it's affect on those under 18? That was my primary point. You disregard vaccine issues as "statistically insignificant", yet the 19 county region that includes Knox county TN has 0 death's under 18 from COVID (that's all variants, ever).

If we are still learning about the vaccine (study suggesting myocarditis in those under 40 was 4x higher for example was posted 12-25-21), it seems we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the concerns of parents as "statistically insignificant".
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It's nothing but common sense here. It's actually pretty stunning that any parent who loves their children would actually agree to this given everything that we now know about how Covid is not lethal for a healthy child
 
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VolStrom said:
Don't tell me you're a bill collector for the hospital, banging on poor peoples doors trying to get their last penny?
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No I’m a senior executive director at a level 1 trauma center, but not in finance. However I regularly meet with the rest of the senior staff and monthly review our budgets overall
 
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VolinWayne said:
Syatistically insignificant?? What number is significant for you? Only when it's your child? Or maybe your view is as long as the media doesn't report it there is no problem. How many children have died of covid when they had no underlying health issues? That number is extremely extremely small. Why would any parent in their right mind jab a child (for a disease that simply will not kill them) with a vaccine that has been proven to have adverse reactions and actually has caused deaths. And we aren't even thinking about long term affects. It's absolutley insane that some people are actually requiring this for children.
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The same guy pretended yesterday that we should use rare, non viable, genetic mutations to redefine sex as being more than just male and female. One of the examples from the link in question was of conjoined twins (1 in 50,000) of opposite gender (even more rare than 1/50,000 because most conjoined twins are female) in which one of the children had partially digested the other resulting in a kid with organs from both. The odds of that are probably around 1 in a million

But the health of a child is “statistically insignificant” unless it occurs in more than 1 in 1000 kids.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The same guy pretended yesterday that we should use rare, non viable, genetic mutations to redefine sex as being more than just male and female. One of the examples from the link in question was of conjoined twins (1 in 50,000) of opposite gender (even more rare than 1/50,000 because most conjoined twins are female) in which one of the children had partially digested the other resulting in a kid with organs from both. The odds of that are probably around 1 in a million

But the health of a child is “statistically insignificant” unless it occurs in more than 1 in 1000 kids.
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You make so much out of so little.
 
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AshG said:
Can you reword your question to provide a specific time frame for "long term"? That way a comparison closer to apples-to-apples can be made with other mrna vaccine measuring.
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No.

I did not specify the time frame “long term”. The OP did, and she responded to it.

It’s a simple request.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
It still remains to be seen how liberal hospitals will be with granting exemptions. This might be the only saving possibility.
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As an EMT Methodist (Oak Ridge) was a frequent stop. They had to shut down an entire floor of the hospital due to understaffing this summer. I’m not sure if it ever reopened but was 100% closed for multiple months.

I imagine most will be too starved for employees to attempt the mandates
 
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Vol8188 said:
Just pointing out your inconsistency. The death of children is significantly insignificant. But we should define our species based on 1 in a million cases
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I never recommended redefining our entire species. Go back and quote where I said just that. I'll wait.
 
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AshG said:
I never recommended redefining our entire species. Go back and quote where I said just that. I'll wait.
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Yet you did come to the defense of an article, written by a trans advocate, arguing we do such. Are you denying that?
 
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AshG said:
I never recommended redefining our entire species. Go back and quote where I said just that. I'll wait.
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This is why I call you weak and pathetic. When asked to clarify your positions, you never do. You hide behind “I never said that”. While refusing to clarify what your position. Ever.
 
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Vol8188 said:
This is why I call you weak and pathetic. When asked to clarify your positions, you never do. You hide behind “I never said that”. While refusing to clarify what your position. Ever.
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I reply to your queries as worded. If you want direct answers, cut the rambling and ask direct questions.
 
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AshG said:
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I'm pretty sure I provided a valid and compelling argument for healthy children.

Healthy children that are not vaccinated have almost zero percent chance of dying. Given this fact why would anybody jab a healthy child when they honestly probably have as high of a chance of having an adverse reaction to the vaccine (or dying of it) as they do of dying of covid.
 
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AshG said:
I reply to your queries as worded. If you want direct answers, cut the rambling and ask direct questions.
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This feels very direct.

Vol8188 said:
Do we agree Covid is "statistically insignificant" in terms of it's affect on those under 18? That was my primary point. You disregard vaccine issues as "statistically insignificant", yet the 19 county region that includes Knox county TN has 0 death's under 18 from COVID (that's all variants, ever).

If we are still learning about the vaccine (study suggesting myocarditis in those under 40 was 4x higher for example was posted 12-25-21), it seems we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the concerns of parents as "statistically insignificant".
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VolinWayne said:
I'm pretty sure I provided a valid and compelling argument for healthy children.

Healthy children that are not vaccinated have almost zero percent chance of dying. Given this fact why would anybody jab a healthy child when they honestly probably have as high of a chance of having an adverse reaction to the vaccine (or dying of it) as they do of dying of covid.
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I am not a medical professional. If a parent has a discussion with their child's pediatrician and the pediatrician says there's no need, excellent. If the pediatrician says there's a need, then move forward with it.
 
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