Vaccine or not?

[NorthDallas40]

Dude, take the L and move on.

You first cat turd.

The clear take away post 2021 is there is an obvious increased risk of myocarditis. And you even swallowed the hook whole in your first reply.

 

[willidan]

You tell me. Did you read the data inputs? The time frame was March 2020 thru December 2021. So extrapolate that to your paralegal colleague’s assertion of correlation to the vaccine.

The rate of myocarditis in children is higher for those who get covid compared to both the general population and compared to children that receive the vaccine. I agree with your statement.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I don't care how noble the cause is, if they are using gofundme, I will not send a nickle. I will send it directly to them, but not thru that shitbag organization.

 

[NorthDallas40]

But wait there’s more! We start out looking at data under 16 years of age and then change the data set to this boundary condition.

“The median age was 26 years and the median time to onset of symptoms was 3 days after the vaccination.”

 

[NorthDallas40]

The rate of myocarditis in children is higher for those who get covid compared to both the general population and compared to children that receive the vaccine. I agree with your statement.

What is the mortality rate for children under 16 years of age and factor that into the decision of whether a child should get the vaccine or not.

Edit: lol ok I need to slow down and work on my own reading comprehension. My apologies. However I do let the question stand to the gallery.

 

[RockyTop85]

You tell me. Did you read the data inputs? The time frame was March 2020 thru December 2021. So extrapolate that to your paralegal colleague’s assertion of correlation to the vaccine.

So you don’t know if he’s actually right nor not but are trying to dunk on him anyways?

Desperate times…

Fwiw, according to koddiedoc it’s 18 myocarditis cases per 100,000 in males 5-11 after shots.

 

[apevol]

Highway Patrolman (and huge right wing media star) Robert Lamay to Washington governor Jay Inslee over vaccination requirement: "Kiss my ass."

Covid-19 to Robert Lamay: "You're dead."

I hope the antivax whack-jobs just keep refusing the vaccine and keep dying. 6-7 years of 300k deaths a year and we'll thin the herd by natural selection. Probably will even raise the mean IQ of the country as well.

6-7 years?

 

[NorthDallas40]

So you don’t know if he’s actually right nor not but are trying to dunk on him anyways?

Desperate times…

Fwiw, according to koddiedoc it’s 18 myocarditis cases per 100,000 in males 5-11 after shots.

That’s a stupid hot take. Go read her first reply and the math she offers up.

Yes her hot take asserted in her original post is patently wrong. Additionally she can’t do math.

Now what is the mortality rate of children who contract COVID and extrapolate that to why some dumbass would give their child the shot.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Germany has a similar potato head in charge as we do.

 

[NorthDallas40]

So you don’t know if he’s actually right nor not but are trying to dunk on him anyways?

Desperate times…

Fwiw, according to koddiedoc it’s 18 myocarditis cases per 100,000 in males 5-11 after shots.

All back and forth dunking and shade aside it isn’t clear to me they can isolate the myocarditis risk due to the jab alone however if we take the data you offered up that would appear as a higher risk than the general non COVID non vax population. So when you factor in the mortality rate in children who contract COVID I can’t see how any rational person would think they need to give this vaccine to their child. Just my own opinion

 

[kiddiedoc]

So what’s the risk of vaccine induced myocarditis in Children?

 

[kiddiedoc]

What is the mortality rate for children under 16 years of age

At last calculation, the yearly chance of a child dying from CV19 infection in the developed countries included in the study was approximately 1 in 700,000 (approx the same risk as dying from a lightning strike).

 

[NorthDallas40]

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And here’s one of my gripes on this comparison. The first four columns header starts with “Prevented” I don’t see how they can really make that assertion as I don’t see how to handle the isolation and control. I guess the out is “model predicted”

Regardless the data you present clearly challenges the assertions of the cat lady’s hot take and really the article she offered with her hot take aside

 

[NorthDallas40]

At last calculation, the yearly chance of a child dying from CV19 infection in the developed countries included in the study was approximately 1 in 700,000 (approx the same risk as dying from a lightning strike).

Thanks for the actual probability. I didn’t know the exact value but based on all the data presented here I knew it was the lowest probability to consider.

And we’re back to asking what parent with a functioning brain puts this vax in an otherwise healthy child.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Keep in mind, also, that consistently around 40% of hospitalized "cases" in kids are incidental diagnoses, not the actual reason for their admission. Per hospital communication, nearly all pediatric deaths have been in kids with serious comorbidities, and the reporting does not distinguish whether CV was the actual cause of their demise.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Keep in mind, also, that consistently around 40% of hospitalized "cases" in kids are incidental diagnoses, not the actual reason for their admission. Per hospital communication, nearly all pediatric deaths have been in kids with serious comorbidities, and the reporting does not distinguish whether CV was the actual cause of their demise.

Oh you’ve done it now. Withering feline fueled wrath inbound in 3… 2…1…

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Yeah the 4 professional soccer players in their 20’s who dropped dead of cardiac arrest within a week of each other and only a few weeks removed from their boosters was pure coincidence…

but all those cases..... whatever will we do????

 

[kiddiedoc]

Additionally, myocarditis is only one adverse outcome from the vaccine. Equally, if not more, concerning to me and my patients is the poorly understood effect on the reproductive cycle in a high percentage of women -- of which, the long-term effect on fertility, ovarian function, malignancy, clotting, etc is unknown. Additionally, there is a whole world of possible lifelong issues that are simply not known (immune function/autoimmune conditions, effect on the brain, possible antibody dependent enhancement with future infection, malignancy, etc).

When you combine all these factors, it is extremely hard to justify giving the shots to healthy children.

 

[RockyTop85]

All back and forth dunking and shade aside it isn’t clear to me they can isolate the myocarditis risk due to the jab alone however if we take the data you offered up that would appear as a higher risk than the general non COVID non vax population. So when you factor in the mortality rate in children who contract COVID I can’t see how any rational person would think they need to give this vaccine to their child. Just my own opinion

I read the post to be saying that, for children, the risk of developing myocarditis is higher from
Covid than from the vaccine.

The study quoted in the link found 86 cases of myocarditis in 65,000 children who had had Covid.

I don’t know anything about this chart, but it’s predicting 10.6/100,000 in children after the vaccine.

Also, the chart says it estimates “excess” occurrences, so I assume that means you’d still have to subtract the very low baseline rate of myocarditis in kids from the first number to make it an apple to apples comparison.

I don’t know how accurate either number is, but the chart seems to confirm the OP by an overwhelming number, not refute it.

Pretty sure there are reasons other than death of the child to want to reduce their risk of contracting Covid-19, just as there are risks other than myocarditis to want to avoid the vaccine. That’s why people should discuss it with their doctors and their kids’ pediatricians rather than listening to The Daily Show for Joyless, Angry People.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Highway Patrolman (and huge right wing media star) Robert Lamay to Washington governor Jay Inslee over vaccination requirement: "Kiss my ass."

Covid-19 to Robert Lamay: "You're dead."

I hope the antivax whack-jobs just keep refusing the vaccine and keep dying. 6-7 years of 300k deaths a year and we'll thin the herd by natural selection. Probably will even raise the mean IQ of the country as well.

What a horrible human you are

 

[apevol]

What a horrible human you are

give me a chance and i can show you worse

 

[NorthDallas40]

I read the post to be saying that, for children, the risk of developing myocarditis is higher from
Covid than from the vaccine.

The study quoted in the link found 86 cases of myocarditis in 65,000 children who had had Covid.

I don’t know anything about this chart, but it’s predicting 10.6/100,000 in children after the vaccine.

Also, the chart says it estimates “excess” occurrences, so I assume that means you’d still have to subtract the very low baseline rate of myocarditis in kids from the first number to make it an apple to apples comparison.

I don’t know how accurate either number is, but the chart seems to confirm the OP by an overwhelming number, not refute it.

Pretty sure there are reasons other than death of the child to want to reduce their risk of contracting Covid-19, just as there are risks other than myocarditis to want to avoid the vaccine. That’s why people should discuss it with their doctors and their kids’ pediatricians rather than listening to The Daily Show for Joyless, Angry People.

My inference from the study is why would anybody consider giving a healthy child the vaccine when you consider the mortality rate of children who contract COVID which was completely ignored by the study. Which is why I put the first data set up which was presented in the study.

That “study” is just another establishment advertisement pushing a medical product which the all the relevant data suggests it isn’t needed. It’s trash.

And as to your comment on the chart under the risks category for the whole population it would be 106/45773.

 

[RockyTop85]

My inference from the study is why would anybody consider giving a healthy child the vaccine when you consider the mortality rate of children who contract COVID which was completely ignored by the study. Which is why I put the first data set up which was presented in the study.

That “study” is just another establishment advertisement pushing a medical product which the all the relevant data suggests it isn’t needed. It’s trash.

And as to your comment on the chart under the risks category for the whole population it would be 106/45773.

Where are you getting 45773?
I see. Column 1 is the estimated benefit per one million vaccinated children. It is not the whole population.

The chart is titled “…per one million fully vaccinated children 5-11 years old.”

 

[NorthDallas40]

Where are you getting 45773? The chart is titled “…per one million fully vaccinated children 5-11 years old.”

Yeah I was about to reply to this. I realize that was your inference. And that is in the title. However the table seems to just provide case numbers.

 

[RockyTop85]

Yeah I was about to reply to this. I realize that was your inference. And that is in the title. However the table seems to just provide case numbers.

No it doesn’t. It’s a predictive model with multiple scenarios. Under scenario 1, a million vaccinated kids results in 45773 prevented cases of Covid AND each of the risks and benefits in the other columns.