Vaccine or not?

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kiddiedoc said:
Agree 100%. Remember: countless Americans still believe they have received an FDA approved shot and have no idea that it isn't even available. Hell, most places administering it don't even know that what they are giving isn't approved.
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Couldn't it just be that Comirnaty isn't found because it wasn't branded until after approval? For example Moderna is now calling their vaccine SpikeVax now that it has been approved. Everything I have read says they have the exact same formulation. Basically we are still working through pre approval unbranded inventory. Just my guess

Comirnaty and the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine are the same | verifythis.com

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acd4476 said:
Three strikes for me.... #1 possibly attributed to 5g. #2 how in the hell does this guy know someone's vax status. #3 and the worst out of Alabama.
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They have also been found in autopsies of both groups, those who have taken the shot and those who haven’t.
Early covid preshot we saw large clots on any line we put in patients. Post shot we see pulmonary embolisms, brain infarcts and multiple deep vein thrombosis. Those are on living patients.
As to your other point:
https://ehtrust.org/wp-content/uploads/EHT-5G-Health-and-Environment-Open-Letter-3_2021-3.pdf
 
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volfanhill said:
Couldn't it just be that Comirnaty isn't found because it wasn't branded until after approval. For example Moderna is now calling their vaccine SpikeVax now that it has been approved. Everything I have read says they have the exact same formulation. Basically we are still working through pre approval unbranded inventory. Just my guess

Comirnaty and the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine are the same | verifythis.com

Spikevax, Moderna COVID-19 vaccine are the same thing | verifythis.com
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Typically companies don’t “work through” product like that. It may be different because everything is different nowadays. But having an FDA approved product being available outside the US and an EUA available inside the US is weird.

I know Pfizer was issued 2 separate approvals from FDA. 1 for full approval, Corminaty. And the other was an EUA extension, BioNTech.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Typically companies don’t “work through” product like that. It may be different because everything is different nowadays. But having an FDA approved product being available outside the US and an EUA available inside the US is weird.

I know Pfizer was issued 2 separate approvals from FDA. 1 for full approval, Corminaty. And the other was an EUA extension, BioNTech.
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Fair point. Perhaps, and just spit balling here, far greater levels of the pre-branded vaccine are here bc of commitments made to the US itself, and once they got approval the newly branded stuff coming off the line was needed overseas more.
 
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newyorkvol said:
Prevalence and Durability of SARS-CoV-2 Antibodies Among Unvaccinated US Adults by COVID-19 History
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I would love to know how I’ve gotten along providing titres to health institutions as a standard for immunity for 16 years and yet I keep hearing the claim that having Antibodies against covid does not provide proof of immunity. So after 50 years we are going to change the gold standard of immunity for a virus. Just one more illogical scientific blurb created out of thin air.
Granted people have had covid twice or a variant differentiation of covid and it is evolving like every virus does. Seems like everyone second case course is less symptomatic and has a faster recovery time.
Being exposed to the entire virus and not just a synthetic spike protein would inherently give better immunity.
 
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volfanhill said:
Fair point. Perhaps, and just spit balling here, far greater levels of the pre-branded vaccine are here bc of commitments made to the US itself, and once they got approval the newly branded stuff coming off the line was needed overseas more.
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Maybe. That would be unorthodox. Once a company gets anything approved for the FDA they immediately push it into that market. Most of the time they are already using it around the world and are kept waiting by the FDA red tape. Which is odd because it should be simple to redirect products to the appropriate regions.

I personally think there is some long term safety data that isn’t going to be favorable. And they are riding the EUA vaccine and the protection that it has as long as they can.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Maybe. That would be unorthodox. Once a company gets anything approved for the FDA they immediately push it into that market. Most of the time they are already using it around the world and are kept waiting by the FDA red tape. Which is odd because it should be simple to redirect products to the appropriate regions.

I personally think there is some long term safety data that isn’t going to be favorable. And they are riding the EUA vaccine and the protection that it has as long as they can.
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I can see that perspective
 
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volfanhill said:
Couldn't it just be that Comirnaty isn't found because it wasn't branded until after approval? For example Moderna is now calling their vaccine SpikeVax now that it has been approved. Everything I have read says they have the exact same formulation. Basically we are still working through pre approval unbranded inventory. Just my guess

Comirnaty and the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine are the same | verifythis.com

Spikevax, Moderna COVID-19 vaccine are the same thing | verifythis.com
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The ingredients are just slightly different on the Pfizer one. I think @kiddiedoc found that info.

Haven't seen anything on the Moderna one.
 
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volfanhill said:
Couldn't it just be that Comirnaty isn't found because it wasn't branded until after approval? For example Moderna is now calling their vaccine SpikeVax now that it has been approved. Everything I have read says they have the exact same formulation. Basically we are still working through pre approval unbranded inventory. Just my guess

Comirnaty and the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine are the same | verifythis.com

Spikevax, Moderna COVID-19 vaccine are the same thing | verifythis.com
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From 11/2021 Pfizer document:

"COMIRNATY and BNT162b2 (V8) have identical amino acid sequences of the encoded antigens but COMIRNATY includes the presence of optimized codons to improve antigen expression."

And:
Screenshot_20220119-203455_Chrome.jpg
 
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Velo Vol said:
Have you found any evidence that the virus does bad things to systems in the body?

You people scour the internets for anything bad that happens to anyone vaccinated, yet completely ignore the 900,000 Ameicans who have died due to an infection.

I've never seen anything more bizarre in my life.
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I have to ask this just to be sure but did you totally forget who you were responding to?

I don’t have to scour anything. I’ve watched probably 250 people die in 2 years from covid first hand. The interwebz doesn’t trump the evidence I have right in front of me working in ICU.
Velo, duh, I had covid. I don’t have to 👀 anywhere. It absolutely does affect clotting, O2 levels, the entire left side of my neck bears broken blood vessels from covid. I had effects that lasted about 4 months after that were exacerbated by working on a covid unit and wearing an N95. Specifically being short of breath from hypercapnia d/t masks. The other effect was sense of taste and olfactory function. Vision in my right eye was haloed like a rainbow for about 13 months.

I’ve never seen anything more bizarre than people predicting there are no long term side effects from a therapeutic that’s never been tried on humans before with rushed studies and pharm companies going to court to hide said studies.
There is enough evidence in the 5 ICUs I’ve been in to reject certain statements from the msm and cdc as outright ********.

My thoughts have always been the same. Feel free to take the shot, it is a personal choice. To dance on others graves to support a political narrative over a shot stance shows extremely poor character and morals. Wash your hands, stay home if you are sick and protect the infirmed. I’ve added one recently though. Don’t settle for zero treatment with covid early on. Hold your practitioners feet to the fire and require an viral anti replicant drug, the rest you can do on your own.
 
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EasternVol said:
It's the ' I will ignore facts and science and put my own and other people's health at risk just to make a political point' cult.
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When my children were young I was responsible for their health. Now as adults they are responsible for their health. Not mom and certainly not mommy government. If they have questions I answer them.
I’m not making you or anyone else responsible for my health. Get off my lawn.
 
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evillawyer said:
But what about (rare and typically mild) vaccine-induced myocarditis!!!

Science | AAAS
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It’s an interesting study. They looked at a bunch of 60+ yo white dudes, who are currently the population hovering around 90% vaccinated, performed statistical magic to then correlate to other ages and races, and said cardiovascular complications existed despite disease severity.

But this was also done before Omicron, and now we know that vaccinated and boosted doesn’t mean protection from mild disease. And since according to the study, even mild disease can increase the risk of cardiovascular complications, there may not be any further protection offered from vaccines.

And lastly, your comment ignores that the most common group to have myocarditis remains young people and especially young males. Yet the vaccine continues to be pushed on this population even though it doesn’t prevent infection or spread and disease severity is overwhelmingly less than in the older, sicker population.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Over half the deaths seen by this funeral director were likely caused by the COVID vaccines

Now this is concerning...hope someone can irrefutably debunk
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This seems like the same with/of battle we play.

The vaccinated are more likely to be freaked about Covid. Less socializing more staying in, and life style changes can lead to stress. Less exercise and worse eating are also problems too. We know being stationary too long can lead to clots, and he does nothing to define how these clots are weird. Granted I wouldnt know the difference, but I would expect some type of medical distinction given that could be traced back to the/a vaccine if you want to argue OF.

It could be the vaccine, but nothing in that article says they died because OF the vaccine vs WITH the vaccine.
 
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