Vaccine or not?

[DC_Vol]

Where do you go? Maybe I'll see you on one of my flights

In Europe:
London
Zurich
Frankfurt
Stockholm
Gothenburg
Prague
Copenhagen

You fly any of these routes?

Germany, Czech Republic, and Hungary are still no go’s from my understanding. I haven’t traveled to Europe since March 2020.

 

[evillawyer]

But, but, but ... the very small risk of generally mild myocarditis!

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

In Europe:
London
Zurich
Frankfurt
Stockholm
Gothenburg
Prague
Copenhagen

You fly any of these routes?

Germany, Czech Republic, and Hungary are still no go’s from my understanding. I haven’t traveled to Europe since March 2020.

I used to do Prague, Zurich and CPH, but now mainly Asia. I'll start more South America in the summer. I'm guessing you fly United though

 

[Ttucke11]

But, but, but ... the very small risk of generally mild myocarditis!

2/3rds of those hospitalized were labeled obese. That seems to be a much bigger issue. Maybe check out Thalidomide. My 5 month old got COVID and kicked it in a few days. I'll take the mild cough over a rushed/politicized medicine any day.

 

[0nelilreb]

But, but, but ... the very small risk of generally mild myocarditis!

The CDC can suck it .. they now have zero creditability.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Uh what.

The shot affects your dna.

 

[VolStrom]

The shot affects your dna.

Does this mean that they can't match up my DNA with the 37 murders along the I-40 corridor, asking for a friend of course?

 

[C-south]

But, but, but ... the very small risk of generally mild myocarditis!

The risk was virtually nonexistent to begin with.

 

[utvolpj]

But, but, but ... the very small risk of generally mild myocarditis!

700 mostly obese kids and you're drawing conclusions like that?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Does this mean that they can't match up my DNA with the 37 murders along the I-40 corridor, asking for a friend of course?

Lmao.. never thought of that. Matching dna with a fuzzy little spike protein built in.

 

[lukeneyland]

But, but, but ... the very small risk of generally mild myocarditis!

Why take such a risk with the vaccine for an illness that has something amounting to a one percent mortality rate? If you aren’t in good health then fine it’s pick your poison at that point but the logic of jab everything that moves is killing people

 

[kiddiedoc]

Why take such a risk with the vaccine for an illness that has something amounting to a one percent mortality rate? If you aren’t in good health then fine it’s pick your poison at that point but the logic of jab everything that moves is killing people

The IFR for the age group in question is actually about 3/1000 of 1 percent, or 0.003%.

Amazingly, you don't actually reach 1% until you get to 60 y/o.

 

[lukeneyland]

The IFR for the age group in question is actually about 3/1000 of 1 percent, or 0.003%.

Amazingly, you don't actually get to 1% until you get to 60 y/o.

That’s insane.

 

[Orangeburst]

Where do you go? Maybe I'll see you on one of my flights

What is your flight call sign? FUB-46

 

[kiddiedoc]

That’s insane.

And then, of course, factor in that the VAST MAJORITY of pediatric deaths have been in children with significant comorbidities, and the risk for your average school-age kid drops to somewhere in the neighborhood of 1-2 in a million.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

What is your flight call sign? FUB-46

Edit: I get it....

For awhile there were a lot of "Let's go Brandon" transmissions on guard (the 'emergency' frequency).

 

[LouderVol]

But, but, but ... the very small risk of generally mild myocarditis!

Lol. Talk about slanted AF stastics.

You really think 72.1% of unvaxxed kids who get Covid end up in the hospital? I am will to bet not even 72% of unvaxxed 80 year olds end up in the hospital.

That tweet doesnt paint a honest picture at all.

 

[Vol8188]

I wonder how many in here saying we should trust our children to the CDC have had their tonsils removed?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Does anybody recall when the CDC said this will not happen and fact checkers were quick to label this as misinformation.....

Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Goes Into Liver Cells and Is Converted to DNA: Study Pfizer's COVID-19 Vaccine Goes Into Liver Cells and Is Converted to DNA: Study


The messenger RNA (mRNA) from Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine is able to enter human liver cells and is converted into DNA, according to Swedish researchers at Lund University.

The researchers found that when the mRNA vaccine enters the human liver cells, it triggers the cell’s DNA, which is inside the nucleus, to increase the production of the LINE-1 gene expression to make mRNA.

The mRNA then leaves the nucleus and enters the cell’s cytoplasm where it translates into LINE-1 protein. A segment of the protein called the open reading frame-1, or ORF-1, then goes back into the nucleus where it attaches to the vaccine’s mRNA and reverse transcribes into spike DNA.

I'm not sure I'm ready to buy this one just yet. Not saying it isn't a possibility, but I'm not able to wrap my mind around their explanation just yet.

 

[newyorkvol]

Lol. Talk about slanted AF stastics.

You really think 72.1% of unvaxxed kids who get Covid end up in the hospital? I am will to bet not even 72% of unvaxxed 80 year olds end up in the hospital.

That tweet doesnt paint a honest picture at all.

What it really shows, again, is that people with medical comorbidities, obesity primarily, should have the option after discussion with their doctor, to get the vaccine. But this was during Delta, and everything has changed since then.

Also, the denominator is still hospitalizations. How many kids in the study area tested positive for Covid during that time? How many children without the vaccine weren’t ever hospitalized? How many with the vaccine got Covid? Maybe a higher percentage of those vaccinated were hospitalized, but we don’t know because the questions was t asked.

Another non-peer reviewed “study” published in MMWR to promote the recommendations of the CDC.

 

[LouderVol]

What it really shows, again, is that people with medical comorbidities, obesity primarily, should have the option after discussion with their doctor, to get the vaccine. But this was during Delta, and everything has changed since then.

Also, the denominator is still hospitalizations. How many kids in the study area tested positive for Covid during that time? How many children without the vaccine weren’t ever hospitalized? How many with the vaccine got Covid? Maybe a higher percentage of those vaccinated were hospitalized, but we don’t know because the questions was t asked.

Another non-peer reviewed “study” published in MMWR to promote the recommendations of the CDC.

And how did they select the hospitals. If they chose children's hospitals, or ones that largely cater to children that is going to fluff up the numbers. Especially as I would presume the children with actual issues would get sent to specific hospitals weighting the average.

Whats really weird is they include a timeline that starts before vaccines were available for some of the study group...

FDA Authorizes Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for Emergency Use in Children 5 through 11 Years of Age

 

[DC_Vol]

What it really shows, again, is that people with medical comorbidities, obesity primarily, should have the option after discussion with their doctor, to get the vaccine. But this was during Delta, and everything has changed since then.

Also, the denominator is still hospitalizations. How many kids in the study area tested positive for Covid during that time? How many children without the vaccine weren’t ever hospitalized? How many with the vaccine got Covid? Maybe a higher percentage of those vaccinated were hospitalized, but we don’t know because the questions was t asked.

Another non-peer reviewed “study” published in MMWR to promote the recommendations of the CDC.

It’s really difficult to draw any meaningful conclusions from most COVID studies simply based on unknowns of how data is collected and categorized. Largely unknown definitions and rarely standardized across datasets. And not clear on populations and sampling techniques. All basic stuff that’s fundamental to drawing meaningful conclusions.

 

[hUTch2002]

So this is interesting. I work with a client that has about 100 employees. They instituted a vaccine mandate about a year ago. 15 of their people have some sort of exemption, meaning 85 received one of the vaccines. I saw that their Work Comp claims went through the roof on their most recent policy period so I started digging into the reason and it turned out the increase in claims was because they had 16 claims due to an adverse reaction to the vaccine. 16 out of 85 is about 19%. I don’t have the type of vaccine identified on all of the claims but here is the breakdown:
Moderna: 2 claims
J&J: 6 claims
Unidentified: 8 claims
I also don’t have context to tell what that breakdown means but it’s somewhat interesting anyway. For all I know those 2 with the Moderna reaction were the only 2 people that got Moderna but I doubt it. 19% of people having enough of a reaction to generate a Work Comp claim seems high to me. I thought maybe that means people just wanted an excuse to miss work but that’s not it as all are medical only claims. None of them are for missed time.

 

[DC_Vol]

So this is interesting. I work with a client that has about 100 employees. They instituted a vaccine mandate about a year ago. 15 of their people have some sort of exemption, meaning 85 received one of the vaccines. I saw that their Work Comp claims went through the roof on their most recent policy period so I started digging into the reason and it turned out the increase in claims was because they had 16 claims due to an adverse reaction to the vaccine. 16 out of 85 is about 19%. I don’t have the type of vaccine identified on all of the claims but here is the breakdown:
Moderna: 2 claims
J&J: 6 claims
Unidentified: 8 claims
I also don’t have context to tell what that breakdown means but it’s somewhat interesting anyway. For all I know those 2 with the Moderna reaction were the only 2 people that got Moderna but I doubt it. 19% of people having enough of a reaction to generate a Work Comp claim seems high to me. I thought maybe that means people just wanted an excuse to miss work but that’s not it as all are medical only claims. None of them are for missed time.

That is insane.

 

[hog88]

So this is interesting. I work with a client that has about 100 employees. They instituted a vaccine mandate about a year ago. 15 of their people have some sort of exemption, meaning 85 received one of the vaccines. I saw that their Work Comp claims went through the roof on their most recent policy period so I started digging into the reason and it turned out the increase in claims was because they had 16 claims due to an adverse reaction to the vaccine. 16 out of 85 is about 19%. I don’t have the type of vaccine identified on all of the claims but here is the breakdown:
Moderna: 2 claims
J&J: 6 claims
Unidentified: 8 claims
I also don’t have context to tell what that breakdown means but it’s somewhat interesting anyway. For all I know those 2 with the Moderna reaction were the only 2 people that got Moderna but I doubt it. 19% of people having enough of a reaction to generate a Work Comp claim seems high to me. I thought maybe that means people just wanted an excuse to miss work but that’s not it as all are medical only claims. None of them are for missed time.

Why would they count an adverse reaction to the vaccine as a WC issue?

Note on recording adverse reactions to vaccines: OSHA, like many other federal agencies, is working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not want to give any suggestion of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination or to disincentivize employers’ vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR part 1904’s recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination at least through May 2022. OSHA will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward. Individuals may choose to submit adverse reactions to the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.

Protecting Workers: Guidance on Mitigating and Preventing the Spread of COVID-19 in the Workplace | Occupational Safety and Health Administration