Vandy is about to have a 9 win season

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bleedorange0037 said:
Let this sink in, none of those 60+ meetings have so much as one iota of bearing on the fact that on January 1, 2013, Vanderbilt has a superior football program to Tennessee.
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Superior year for once in a blue moon? Yes. Superior program? You're still drunk.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
No, superior in almost every way this year, next year, and the foreseeable future until UT does what it takes to get it's house in order.
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According to your profile, you are 28 years old. Hell, you haven't even seen UT hit down stretches until now. They went 10 years starting in the mid 70's being average to bad until 1985. Vandy thought they were the sh*t in 1974 and 1975 with a tie and a win. They had 7 wins back then too similar to what they had this year with 8 with the extra game. I've seen this movie before.

Go ahead and think they have a superior program. I'll continue to laugh at that uninformed statement. People were saying Bama was never going to come back either. Typical overreaction from fans who haven't lived long enough to watch things go through cycles. UT will get things in order. Maybe you'll be back on the bandwagon then.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
According to your profile, you are 28 years old. Hell, you haven't even seen UT hit down stretches until now. They went 10 years starting in the mid 70's being average to bad until 1985. Vandy thought they were the sh*t in 1974 and 1975 with a tie and a win. They had 7 wins back then too similar to what they had this year with 8 with the extra game. I've seen this movie before.

Go ahead and think they have a superior program. I'll continue to laugh at that uninformed statement. People were saying Bama was never going to come back either. Typical overreaction from fans who haven't lived long enough to watch things go through cycles. UT will get things in order. Maybe you'll be back on the bandwagon then.
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I'm not saying that Vandy has surpassed UT from an all time standpoint after 2 good years under Franklin. What I'm saying is that right now UT and Vandy's football programs are on opposite trajectories. Vandy is on the rise while UT has been nosediving and may not be done with that just yet. As of right now, Vanderbilt is a superior football team to ours in every way. That means on the field, on the sidelines and in the administration. They curbstomped us a month ago on the field, have a better coach and are crushing us in recruiting. Clearly that doesn't change what's happened in the past, but the past has no bearing on where each team is at the current moment.
 
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Vandy has the superior program this season. Once Franklin leaves (AKA, after next year) they'll be back to yearning for 6 win seasons.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I'm not saying that Vandy has surpassed UT from an all time standpoint after 2 good years under Franklin. What I'm saying is that right now UT and Vandy's football programs are on opposite trajectories. Vandy is on the rise while UT has been nosediving and may not be done with that just yet. As of right now, Vanderbilt is a superior football team to ours in every way. That means on the field, on the sidelines and in the administration. They curbstomped us a month ago on the field, have a better coach and are crushing us in recruiting. Clearly that doesn't change what's happened in the past, but the past has no bearing on where each team is at the current moment.
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UT just changed coaches. You don't know what trajectory UT is on right now. From reading what former players are saying and the general vibe on the campus, Jones is doing all the right things and repairing relationships with high school coaches that Dooley tore down and blew to hell. That doesn't happen overnight.

I bet you were foaming at the mouth with the Kiffin hiring along with the other kids because he brought in 4-5 star recruits only to see most of them get arrested, suspended, leave and then have him bail and burn UT down to the ground. Again, you haven't seen UT go through a down cycle until now. The SEC is as strong as its ever been. They're not going to just jump right back in and be top dog.

You're also still living in Dooley land. Was Jimmy Frank a better coach than Dooley? Yes, but anyone with half a brain was. You're already giving up and burying Jones before he even has coached one damn game. Last time I checked, Jones beat Jimmy Frank head-to-head with similar to less talent. Maybe you need to rewatch that Liberty bowl game.

And UT was a dead team walking against Vandy. The team gave up and mailed it in after they got down because the players knew Dooley was done. You think they come out with that same effort if that game is played at the beginning of the season or in the middle of the season before Dooley's fate was sealed? Uh, no. Only one team handled UT all year and that was Bama. UT was in every other game against much better teams than Vandy. Once the players knew Dooley's fate after the Mizzou game, they were done.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I'm not saying that Vandy has surpassed UT from an all time standpoint after 2 good years under Franklin. What I'm saying is that right now UT and Vandy's football programs are on opposite trajectories. Vandy is on the rise while UT has been nosediving and may not be done with that just yet. As of right now, Vanderbilt is a superior football team to ours in every way. That means on the field, on the sidelines and in the administration. They curbstomped us a month ago on the field, have a better coach and are crushing us in recruiting. Clearly that doesn't change what's happened in the past, but the past has no bearing on where each team is at the current moment.
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It seems like the best programs in the conference stress academics more than we do. UF, UGA, UA, T A&M all are higher rated universities according to US World Reports.

If Florida can have high academic standards then so can we. Signing academic/low charactor risks are why we are in the mess we are in.

Our roster has been decimated because of dismissals due to player misconduct and bad grades. We ought to step back from our MO of "win now, win at any cost", because it is not working.

We are becoming the Ole Miss of the East.
 
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govols120 said:
Vandy has the superior program this season. Once Franklin leaves (AKA, after next year) they'll be back to yearning for 6 win seasons.
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I'm confused... Vandy has no history, resources or fans so the season is a fluke and they will be going back to another 50 years of losing but if Franklin or a great coach is there none of that matters?

Judging by our situation an all star coach trumps all the history and tradition of any program.

I agree that the ceiling should be higher for schools like us but it does seem that coaching is the single most important aspect of winning in college football.

IMO, Butch is the best "coach" we've had since the Majors era. The difference is his staff which I hope can equal CPF's. If so, we're back competing for East titles by year 2!
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Actually, they were favored to beat Northwestern and didn't. And they got curbstomped by UGA 48-3. They also had the benefit of playing Mizzou without their starting QB who they barely beat. Face it. Vandy won't have an easier schedule than this year and the best bowl they could get to was the Music City bowl.

I guarantee you that if UT had played Vandy's schedule and UT's best wins were over Ole Miss and NC State (who we actually beat) there would be more than a few that could look at that schedule rationally and say we still didn't really beat anyone. Since it's Vandy and they rarely beat anyone anyway, then everyone thinks they've done something. For them? Yes. For anyone else that has any kind of history? No.
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Injuries are part of football. Northwestern is ranked 20 with a New Year's Day bowl win. Georgia is ranked #7 with two losses. Turn about: Vandy should have beaten USCe but the #10 Cocks were a little better. I agree It's Vandy but I give them some credit. We can agree to disagree.
 
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vol-un-tear said:
Injuries are part of football. Northwestern is ranked 20 with a New Year's Day bowl win. Georgia is ranked #7 with two losses. Turn about: Vandy should have beaten USCe but the #10 Cocks were a little better. I agree It's Vandy but I give them some credit. We can agree to disagree.
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When that injury is to the starting QB then it's just a little more glaring.

And you could also say UT should've/could've beaten UGA or USCjr but turned the ball over on the last drive. Vandy was never in the UGA game.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
When that injury is to the starting QB then it's just a little more glaring.

And you could also say UT should've/could've beaten UGA or USCjr but turned the ball over on the last drive. Vandy was never in the UGA game.
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Candy beat our A$$ and won 9 games. I hate it to!
 
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OrangeBalls said:
So, you're saying your families are bandwagon fans and only support UT when they're winning? Man. Maybe you need to pick another family.
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Counting mother and father(both UT grads) and kids, since 1964 we've all been bandwagon fans. Idiot.
 
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RoaminVol said:
Lets not forget they lost to Northwestern!!!!!
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Northwestern won ten games and would beat the **** out of UT. Vanderbilt is better than Tennessee. Repeat that into the mirror and hope that the Cincinnati coaching staff can change that fact.
 
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Vol_Maul said:
Northwestern won ten games and would beat the **** out of UT. Vanderbilt is better than Tennessee. Repeat that into the mirror and hope that the Cincinnati coaching staff can change that fact.
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Depends on when Northwestern would've played them. Only game that UT wasn't in the game (until after the Mizzou game when everyone knew Dooley's fate) was against Bama and they even had a chance in the 3rd qtr to make things interesting and turned the ball over. They played UGA and USC to the end. I think both of those teams are better than Northwestern.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Depends on when Northwestern would've played them. Only game that UT wasn't in the game (until after the Mizzou game when everyone knew Dooley's fate) was against Bama and they even had a chance in the 3rd qtr to make things interesting and turned the ball over. They played UGA and USC to the end. I think both of those teams are better than Northwestern.
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Derek Dooley would have lost. Trust me.
 
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UT has been down a few years. Vandy find's a niche, has some great senior talent, pulls in a competent coach, it's bound to happen every 25-35 years. Parity has hit DIV1 football much like free agency hit the NFL. High school players are being coached up and have resources much like colleges did 10 - 15 years ago. Add that to the 85 man roster and the SEC 25 schollie limit and you will find these traditional non-powerhouse schools taking some very good players that just don't make the cut at the bigger schools. I'm not dissing Vandy, hope they enjoy their short lived success. With that being said, UT is in the drivers seat with our new staff and we will have a good recruiting season. We have a very good roster lined up for 2013 and with the addition of a few studs, 2013 will be a good year. If things go right, it will be a great year leading up to a great recruiting season for 2014.
 
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KoachKletus said:
UT has been down a few years. Vandy find's a niche, has some great senior talent, pulls in a competent coach, it's bound to happen every 25-35 years. Parity has hit DIV1 football much like free agency hit the NFL. High school players are being coached up and have resources much like colleges did 10 - 15 years ago. Add that to the 85 man roster and the SEC 25 schollie limit and you will find these traditional non-powerhouse schools taking some very good players that just don't make the cut at the bigger schools. I'm not dissing Vandy, hope they enjoy their short lived success. With that being said, UT is in the drivers seat with our new staff and we will have a good recruiting season. We have a very good roster lined up for 2013 and with the addition of a few studs, 2013 will be a good year. If things go right, it will be a great year leading up to a great recruiting season for 2014.
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Wow. You're delusional. Our best players will be leaving for the NFL, and this new staff is doing nothing the least bit impressive on the recruiting trail. The schedule is tougher next year, and we're going to take a beating. Then, our offensive line will be decimated by graduation the following year.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Depends on when Northwestern would've played them. Only game that UT wasn't in the game (until after the Mizzou game when everyone knew Dooley's fate) was against Bama and they even had a chance in the 3rd qtr to make things interesting and turned the ball over. They played UGA and USC to the end. I think both of those teams are better than Northwestern.
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Your relentless "defense" of our season is much better than what was on the field. Sal should take notes from Orangeballs!
 
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Vol_Maul said:
Derek Dooley would have lost. Trust me.
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vol-un-tear said:
Your relentless "defense" of our season is much better than what was on the field. Sal should take notes from Orangeballs!
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Did you watch every game? UT was in every game but one until Dooley and the players knew his fate. That had nothing to do with the pathetic defense on the field. Hell, if they had any defense at all then Dooley probably still has his job.

I didn't say UT wouldn't have lost. You said Northwestern would've beaten the sh*t out of UT. Only team that did that was Bama and then Vandy and that was after the players knew he was gone and they quit on him.
 
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State of the Vols said:
News flash - Northwestern is playing in a bowl game on national TV on New Years Day 2013. They beat a team (Vandy) that absolutely thrashed UT this year. How'd our (last several) season(s) end up again? Oh yeah - never mind. Just can't understand why there is some need on these boards to diminish the accomplishments of college kids that don't go to school in Knoxville. Makes us all look like small, jealous rednecks. Thanks for that. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!
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Thanks for the "news flash." What is the memory span of people on this forum? 15 minutes?

My point is that teams like Vandy, Northwestern, etc. tend to cycle. NW has had 6 winning seasons in the last 15 years. When all the planets align they have spurts of winning but there's just too much going against them to have a traditionally strong program.

The VU coach will almost certainly go somewhere else if he contines to win. He will be sought after by plenty. If he doesn't, good for him.

BTW, yesterday was NW's first bowl winning since 1949. If a bowl win very 60+ years doesn't say perennial powerhouse, I don't know what does.
 
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