Venezuela's Triumphant Socialist Paradise

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#501
Maybe we can revert our government back to its 1850 form. Has anything really changed since then?
 
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#502
utvolpj said:
Can we move that ahead to about 1866?
Thanks,
The South
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The 16th Amendment was enacted in 1913. However prior to that...

“In order to help pay for its war effort in the American Civil War, Congress imposed its first personal income tax in 1861.[15] It was part of the Revenue Act of 1861 (3% of all incomes over US $800; rescinded in 1872). Congress also enacted the Revenue Act of 1862, which levied a 3% tax on incomes above $600, rising to 5% for incomes above $10,000. Rates were raised in 1864. This income tax was repealed in 1872.”

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NorthDallas40 said:
They weren’t present in this country until 1861. Next dumbass wrong statement?
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Of course there were taxes before 1861

The early Americans accumulated a lot of debt associated with the Revolution. The federal government assumed the debt of the colonies and sought to pay it off by taxing imports and imposing excise taxes on products such as alcohol, tobacco and refined sugar. Congress passed an excise tax on all distilled spirits in 1791, causing an uprising among farmer/distillers in the western part of Pennsylvania. The Whiskey Rebellion ended with President George Washington mobilizing 13,000 militiamen from multiple states and arresting 150 rebellious farmers. Only two were convicted of treason and they were later pardoned.
 
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#504
luthervol said:
Of course there were taxes before 1861

The early Americans accumulated a lot of debt associated with the Revolution. The federal government assumed the debt of the colonies and sought to pay it off by taxing imports and imposing excise taxes on products such as alcohol, tobacco and refined sugar. Congress passed an excise tax on all distilled spirits in 1791, causing an uprising among farmer/distillers in the western part of Pennsylvania. The Whiskey Rebellion ended with President George Washington mobilizing 13,000 militiamen from multiple states and arresting 150 rebellious farmers. Only two were convicted of treason and they were later pardoned.
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Lol. Yeah. That’s like exactly like a federal income tax. We also had tariffs prior which largely paid for the government thus no need for an income tax.

You were rationalizing an income tax you rube. And they did not exist prior to the date I listed. 100 years after the nation, and our society, had been formed.

And interestingly enough... the first income tax was required to finance war debt. 😏

Nice deflection 😂
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Lol. Yeah. That’s like exactly like a federal income tax. We also had tariffs prior which largely paid for the government thus no need for an income tax.

You were rationalizing an income tax you rube. And they did not exist prior to the date I listed. 100 years after the nation, and our society, had been formed.

And interestingly enough... the first income tax was required to finance war debt. 😏

Nice deflection 😂
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I said nothing about federal income taxes. I said taxes have been around since the beginning of societies. That is proper and it is justifiable. Who they taxed was always the issue. True then, true now.
If I had been talking about federal income taxes, do you think I would have said since the beginning of society? You may wish to read what is actually said and not what you anticipate is being said. You treefrog.
 
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#507
Velo Vol said:
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The article said that they are protecting Maduro. So I would assume they are also in partial or maybe even full command of the state security forces and we know how the Russians operate. They may turn them completely loose on anti-regime protesters.
 
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Burhead said:
The article said that they are protecting Maduro. So I would assume they are also in partial or maybe even full command of the state security forces and we know how the Russians operate. They may turn them completely loose on anti-regime protesters.
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Doubtful.
 
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Burhead said:
The article said that they are protecting Maduro. So I would assume they are also in partial or maybe even full command of the state security forces and we know how the Russians operate. They may turn them completely loose on anti-regime protesters.
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Russia has $$$ in Venezuela which it's trying to protect by sticking with Maduro, but I've not seen evidence that it's got much control over what's happening there.
 
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#512
John Bolton's statement today:

Cuba’s support and control over Maduro’s security and paramilitary forces are well known. 1/2

Any violence and intimidation against U.S. diplomatic personnel, Venezuela’s democratic leader, Juan Guiado, or the National Assembly itself would represent a grave assault on the rule of law and will be met with a significant response.
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Definitely increasing the rhetoric over the last few days.
 
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#514
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#517
Think it this had started out as a foreign policy thread instead of socialism muh ha ha the IQ quotient would be 30 points higher.
 
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#523
Burhead said:
"You want to invade everybody": Trump talked "military option" in Venezuela with Lindsey Graham
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Wait, when did Bolton become "America first"?

The big picture: The Trump administration's approach to foreign policy has quietly but fundamentally changed. Gone are those who often fiercely disagreed with Trump's instincts: Jim Mattis, Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohn and, at times, H.R. McMaster. Trump's new senior team — John Bolton, Mike Pompeo and Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan — backs his instincts on almost every issue. (Though, again, there are no signs they are pushing him towards a military action in Venezuela.)
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