Venezuela's Triumphant Socialist Paradise

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Velo Vol said:
Wherein the President of the United States refers to the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (communist) as "thriving."

But carry on with your hot AOC takes.

Bonus: "my friend Kim Jong Un"

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Vietnam is a weird case. They like America for the most part, despite the war and all the terrible crap we did to them. and they are doing better than most of their neighbors, minus the obvious China. I think them and China run a similar sort of pseudo capitalist communism. but I am sure there are details I don't know about.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Wherein the President of the United States refers to the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (communist) as "thriving."

But carry on with your hot AOC takes.

Bonus: "my friend Kim Jong Un"

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Vietnam has adopted the Chinese method of inviting people to build factories at very low cost. Yes, compared to where they were 20 years ago, they are thriving.
 
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Pacer92 said:
A lot of you would like RT if you could get past the word Russia...

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I’m not a Russian Warhawk but I do take that news station with a grain of salt knowing it has spin just like the rest , just from a different point of view .
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Venezuela FM Claims "CIA Expert" Pompeo Torched Aid Trucks In False Flag Attack
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Well well well...

Shocker: "Humanitarian Aid" Stunt Used To Escalate Against Venezuela

"As it turns out (and who could have predicted this?), all that posturing by the United States government about “humanitarian aid” seems to have been a cynical ploy to further escalate against the Venezuelan government, which has been a longtime CIA target for regime change ever since President Hugo Chávez took office in 1999. It may be time to face the cold, stark possibility that, as hard as it is to fathom, the government of the United States of America is interested in Venezuela not for humanitarian reasons at all, but because it has the single largest proven oil reserves of any nation on the entire planet.

After all, if the US were so keen on getting its $20 million of humanitarian aid to the people of Venezuela, it could simply have given that shipment to one of the many nations that Venezuela is currently accepting aid from like Russia, China, India, Turkey or Cuba to deliver instead of instigating a hostile stand-off on Colombian and Brazilian border towns. Or, rather than demanding that a literally besieged government passively allow large, unexamined shipping containers to be delivered by the government orchestrating that siege into the hands of the Venezuelan faction that is collaborating with it, they could simply have given that shipment to the UN or the Red Cross for delivery. But rather than taking those extremely easy and diplomatically simple measures to deliver its relatively small amount of humanitarian aid to the Venezuelan people, the most difficult and provocative path was deliberately taken instead, with some extremely suspicious activity leading to the delivery being set fire to by anti-Maduro protesters."
 
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RavinDave said:
Yeah that makes about as much sense as tits on a boar hog.
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"Could it be (and just bear with me here while I spitball) that the Trump administration officials who engineered this media-friendly humanitarian aid performance like Elliott Abrams, John Bolton and Mike Pompeo knew all along that the Venezuelan government would necessarily turn away the delivery under the spotlight of international news media? Could they have known that Abrams’ already established history of using humanitarian aid as a pretext to ship weapons to oppositional militia groups would make it impossible for Maduro to permit such a delivery? Is it possible that they knew that the official US State Department narrative about this rejection would be uncritically regurgitated verbatim as absolute fact by the news media outlets of the US-centralized empire, as such events consistently are?

I know it sounds crazy, but might it just possible that all this Venezuela business is actually about resource control and regional dominance in a strategically crucial location which might otherwise favor US geopolitical opponents like Russia, China and Cuba? What if the US government and its tight empire-like international alliance uses its massive power advantage to bide its time slowly squeezing noncompliant nations into submission using economic sieges and covert disruption operations by intelligence agencies, while manipulating the public narrative to ensure the complicity of the international community, until those noncompliant governments collapse under the pressure and either join the empire-like alliance or plunge into chaos which can be easily capitalized upon? Could it be that this is all just a ploy to shore up control of world affairs by a dominant group of extremely powerful corporate and financial manipulators who exert immense control over political and financial systems, markets, non-government organizations, opaque government agencies, and media around the world?"
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
"Could it be (and just bear with me here while I spitball) that the Trump administration officials who engineered this media-friendly humanitarian aid performance like Elliott Abrams, John Bolton and Mike Pompeo knew all along that the Venezuelan government would necessarily turn away the delivery under the spotlight of international news media? Could they have known that Abrams’ already established history of using humanitarian aid as a pretext to ship weapons to oppositional militia groups would make it impossible for Maduro to permit such a delivery? Is it possible that they knew that the official US State Department narrative about this rejection would be uncritically regurgitated verbatim as absolute fact by the news media outlets of the US-centralized empire, as such events consistently are?

I know it sounds crazy, but might it just possible that all this Venezuela business is actually about resource control and regional dominance in a strategically crucial location which might otherwise favor US geopolitical opponents like Russia, China and Cuba? What if the US government and its tight empire-like international alliance uses its massive power advantage to bide its time slowly squeezing noncompliant nations into submission using economic sieges and covert disruption operations by intelligence agencies, while manipulating the public narrative to ensure the complicity of the international community, until those noncompliant governments collapse under the pressure and either join the empire-like alliance or plunge into chaos which can be easily capitalized upon? Could it be that this is all just a ploy to shore up control of world affairs by a dominant group of extremely powerful corporate and financial manipulators who exert immense control over political and financial systems, markets, non-government organizations, opaque government agencies, and media around the world?"
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Having a more US-friendly government in Venezuela would certainly be on the long-range wish list of the US, and exerting slow pressure to accelerate the certain demise of the failed regime is no doubt State Dept. policy. But to suggest that the US was behind the torching of the aid trucks is a bit of a stretch IMO.
 
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RavinDave said:
Having a more US-friendly government in Venezuela would certainly be on the long-range wish list of the US, and exerting slow pressure to accelerate the certain demise of the failed regime is no doubt State Dept. policy. But to suggest that the US was behind the torching of the aid trucks is a bit of a stretch IMO.
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You didn't read very carefully. At worst, yes, the US may have started a false flag event with the humanitarian aid. But did you read the other alternative they laid out... that the US knew full well that the Venezuelans wouldn't accept the aid because we have stated in the past how we can slip in munitions and weaponry in humanitarian shipping containers. So at best, they ran the humanitarian aid down there, knowing that the Maduro bunch would reject it and thus give them an easy excuse for tightening the noose.
 
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RavinDave said:
Having a more US-friendly government in Venezuela would certainly be on the long-range wish list of the US, and exerting slow pressure to accelerate the certain demise of the failed regime is no doubt State Dept. policy. But to suggest that the US was behind the torching of the aid trucks is a bit of a stretch IMO.
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No different than any other Latin American escapade over the last 70 years going way back to Guatemala in the 1950s.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You didn't read very carefully. At worst, yes, the US may have started a false flag event with the humanitarian aid. But did you read the other alternative they laid out... that the US knew full well that the Venezuelans wouldn't accept the aid because we have stated in the past how we can slip in munitions and weaponry in humanitarian shipping containers. So at best, they ran the humanitarian aid down there, knowing that the Maduro bunch would reject it and thus give them an easy excuse for tightening the noose.
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I only stepped back into this thread when you quoted my post from the other day. So I was only responding to your point about how the aid trucks might have been torched by the US to further damage the Maduro regime's reputation, as if it's not already as low as it can get.
 
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RavinDave said:
Having a more US-friendly government in Venezuela would certainly be on the long-range wish list of the US, and exerting slow pressure to accelerate the certain demise of the failed regime is no doubt State Dept. policy. But to suggest that the US was behind the torching of the aid trucks is a bit of a stretch IMO.
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Lusitania was carrying First World War explosives from New York when sunk in May 1915, British files reveal

The passenger ship Lusitania was carrying munitions when it was sunk by a German submarine in May 1915, documents released by the British Government have revealed.
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RavinDave said:
I only stepped back into this thread when you quoted my post from the other day. So I was only responding to your point about how the aid trucks might have been torched by the US to further damage the Maduro regime's reputation, as if it's not already as low as it can get.
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The very first sentence of my reply to your post from the other day spelled it out.

Could it be (and just bear with me here while I spitball) that the Trump administration officials who engineered this media-friendly humanitarian aid performance like Elliott Abrams, John Bolton and Mike Pompeo knew all along that the Venezuelan government would necessarily turn away the delivery under the spotlight of international news media?
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RavinDave said:
I actually think they really wanted to help provide aid to the desperate Venezuelans who are starving.
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After all, if the US were so keen on getting its $20 million of humanitarian aid to the people of Venezuela, it could simply have given that shipment to one of the many nations that Venezuela is currently accepting aid from like Russia, China, India, Turkey or Cuba to deliver instead of instigating a hostile stand-off on Colombian and Brazilian border towns.
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Grand Vol said:
Vietnam has adopted the Chinese method of inviting people to build factories at very low cost. Yes, compared to where they were 20 years ago, they are thriving.
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Vietnam is benefitting from the trade wars and China’s maturing economy. I think they’re projected to have the top GDP growth for 2019.
 
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lol to Russia, China, or Cuba. we don't have good enough relations for that to work.

and we are far closer than Turkey or India. why ship it away thousands of miles, to come most of those thousands of miles right back here?

Colombia is a direct neighbor who we have better relations with than any of the countries you mentioned except maybe India.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So Bolton acknowledges that we support other dictators.

I'll make sure to bookmark this quote in case someone decides to come at me when I criticize foreign policy again.
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Yep...this is the hypocritical stance that every American should be able to see, but doesn’t...

And its a shame that politicians like Guaido sell their own country for globalist money....people don’t understand this simple fact...
 
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