Very disappointed in Butch Jones

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JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
You can't be serious.
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DY is baller out in space. Did you ever see his HS highlight reel? Every play was him making opponents look like they didn't belong on the same field. No smallish RB is going to thrive running between the tackles. But if he has good hands and can learn to run good routes, he's going to be dangerous.
 
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I know folks here haven't figure it out yet. Derek Dooley is gone, departed, let go, done, past, moved on, finished, over, no more, out, removed, dissipated, and down the drain. So can you all accept that and enjoy while you can, the new era? It's almost like you've buried an 18 days dead raccoon and keep digging it up again to smell the decay over and over. Learn to say good-bye and enjoy having your house back to yourself in a manner of speaking.
 
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TGVol said:
That's because the team is not bad and its not year zero - so give CBJ credit for telling the truth. (CDD left him good players because he could recruit - CBJ already knows that first hand since CDD's team slapped around his bearcats few years ago). However, few years from now we may be at year 0 again (if CBJ continues to finish behind Vandy in recruiting).
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Brilliant. If I hear one more poster casually mention that CBJ finished behind Pansybilt in recruiting I'm gonna..... Do your homework and provide the appropriate context before putting this tripe on here. -_-
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
DY is baller out in space. Did you ever see his HS highlight reel? Every play was him making opponents look like they didn't belong on the same field. No smallish RB is going to thrive running between the tackles. But if he has good hands and can learn to run good routes, he's going to be dangerous.
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I hope he does not continue to get tackled by the grass
 
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tvols75 said:
Can't believe he didn't tell us how bad the team was and how this is year zero.
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Not so fast my friend....wait until 4-5 games into the season.....he's building up to it......can't rush these things
 
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TGVol said:
That's because the team is not bad and its not year zero - so give CBJ credit for telling the truth. (CDD left him good players because he could recruit - CBJ already knows that first hand since CDD's team slapped around his bearcats few years ago). However, few years from now we may be at year 0 again (if CBJ continues to finish behind Vandy in recruiting).
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It just amazes me how people don't see the difference between the situations Dooley and CBJ walked in to. I know it's a forum and so there are different levels of life experiences but it's not that difficult. Dooley walked in when the house was burnt to the ground..had to deal with a crazy mix of ins company's crap, contractors, home owners assoc, city zoning, and a bunch of random other stuff to cause delays in finishing the house..etc etc etc CBJ moved in over after it all was close to being complete. Just needs to decide on some final fixtures, furniture, drapes to match etc etc etc. Of course he is finding things that he would have done different...# of rooms/bathrooms, adding a pool, etc etc, but his issues are nothing like what the person he took it over from. And then add on the fact that he is gonna make way more money from the deal at he end of the day. CBJ has no room to complain IMHO.

Sometimes I read some post and think that these same posters believe that Steve Jobs found a secret Apple Tree that grew iPods, iPhones, iPads, etc.
 
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While I enjoy this thread, we gotta recognize the talent level is far better than it was 3 years ago. We were bad then
 
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Oskie Volum said:
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It just amazes me how people don't see the difference between the situations Dooley and CBJ walked in to. I know it's a forum and so there are different levels of life experiences but it's not that difficult. Dooley walked in when the house was burnt to the ground..had to deal with a crazy mix of ins company's crap, contractors, home owners assoc, city zoning, and a bunch of random other stuff to cause delays in finishing the house..etc etc etc CBJ moved in over after it all was close to being complete. Just needs to decide on some final fixtures, furniture, drapes to match etc etc etc. Of course he is finding things that he would have done different...# of rooms/bathrooms, adding a pool, etc etc, but his issues are nothing like what the person he took it over from. And then add on the fact that he is gonna make way more money from the deal at he end of the day. CBJ has no room to complain IMHO.

Sometimes I read some post and think that these same posters believe that Steve Jobs found a secret Apple Tree that grew iPods, iPhones, iPads, etc.
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That is complete garbage. You don't judge a team by, "Hey if we line up this team vs. the first team I had, who would win?" You judge the team's talent by did the talent gap close between Tennessee and the top of the SEC in 3 years. And the answer is, it widened. Florida and Georgia are much better than when Dooley took over. The same team you are bashing got Dooley the most amount of wins in his tenure here. The great talent he left behind has a loss to Kentucky on their resume, and a blowout loss to Vandy and that's with 4 guys from those two losses going to the NFL. In relation to rest of the SEC, we are the same, if not worse off than 3 years ago.
 
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KBVol said:
Brilliant. If I hear one more poster casually mention that CBJ finished behind Pansybilt in recruiting I'm gonna..... Do your homework and provide the appropriate context before putting this tripe on here. -_-
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You are gonna what? Everything in my post is 100% accurate (CDD finished ahead of CBJ in recruiting in all of his 3 years, and easily beat him in direct head to head matchup). I know this is not particularly comforting as we desperately want to believe our new coach is upgrade over the previous one - but those dam#ed facts have a nasty habit of interfering with sunshine pumping. :)
 
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TGVol said:
You are gonna what? Everything in my post is 100% accurate (CDD finished ahead of CBJ in recruiting in all of his 3 years, and easily beat him in direct head to head matchup). I know this is not particularly comforting as we desperately want to believe our new coach is upgrade over the previous one - but those dam#ed facts have a nasty habit of interfering with sunshine pumping. :)
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You are probably the same tgvol over on VQ that still says Dooley is a great coach. Also, you do realize Dooley was behind Vandy in recruiting when he was fired, right?
 
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TGVol said:
You are gonna what? Everything in my post is 100% accurate (CDD finished ahead of CBJ in recruiting in all of his 3 years, and easily beat him in direct head to head matchup). I know this is not particularly comforting as we desperately want to believe our new coach is upgrade over the previous one - but those dam#ed facts have a nasty habit of interfering with sunshine pumping. :)
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Cincinnati should never recruit or play as well as Tennessee. The new coach is definitely an upgrade but I don't know if he is good enough. We will see.
 
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thebjd said:
Cincinnati should never recruit or play as well as Tennessee.
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I agree 100% - but a lot of sunshine pumpers are using the argument that the new coach will "coach them up" (meaning win in the SEC with lesser talent). All I'm saying is that when he met SEC (CDD) with lesser talent (bearcats) he got his ass handed to him. I know it's only one data point and not conclusive but it is a fact. I however do think that CBJ has a lot more talent to start with than CDD had when he started so CBJ will fortunately not have to "coach them up" as much as people think (but he will have to significantly improve on his recruiting or otherwise will really have to coach them up a few years from now).
 
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TGVol said:
I agree 100% - but a lot of sunshine pumpers are using the argument that the new coach will "coach them up" (meaning win in the SEC with lesser talent). All I'm saying is that when he met SEC (CDD) with lesser talent (bearcats) he got his ass handed to him. I know it's only one data point and not conclusive but it is a fact. I however do think that CBJ has a lot more talent to start with than CDD had when he started so CBJ will fortunately not have to "coach them up" as much as people think (but he will have to significantly improve on his recruiting or otherwise will really have to coach them up a few years from now).
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Dooley inherited back to back top ten classes so I disagree. The best players went to the NFL so this team is really nothing special from a talent standpoint. Butch has work to do.
 
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tvols75 said:
you do realize Dooley was behind Vandy in recruiting when he was fired, right?
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You are comparing apples and oranges.
The only recruiting comparison that makes sense is how CDD did in his first year vs how CBJ did in his first year (because at the end of last year it was obvious CDD was getting fired and we still don't know how he would have finished vs Vandy if he actually did not get fired - this is all speculation).
What we do know is that CDD finished in top 10 in his first year (with having less time and CBJ did after he got hired) - and this in spite of serious NCAA investigation and threat of sanctions hanging over the program - this was certainly not the situation CBJ inherited.
 
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TGVol said:
You are comparing apples and oranges.
The only recruiting comparison that makes sense is how CDD did in his first year vs how CBJ did in his first year (because at the end of last year it was obvious CDD was getting fired and we still don't know how he would have finished vs Vandy if he actually did not get fired - this is all speculation).
What we do know is that CDD finished in top 10 in his first year (with having less time and CBJ did after he got hired) - and this in spite of serious NCAA investigation and threat of sanctions hanging over the program - this was certainly not the situation CBJ inherited.
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Yes, because the class Lane Kiffin had already assembled and was in the driver seat for compared to the class Dooley left Jones to close on. Don't be dumb.
 
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tvols75 said:
Yes, because the class Lane Kiffin had already assembled and was in the driver seat for compared to the class Dooley left Jones to close on. Don't be dumb.
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The class was a top three class when Kiffin left with a lot of EEs. Dooley's first class was his best by a mile.
 
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I hate to harp on old stuff, but those constant excuses made me want to take a hostage.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
The problem is Dooley style rarely works. Especially when your player know your system doesn't work it makes it harder.
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Dooley's style only works when you have 5*'s lined up to play for you. You can't coach em up and tell them they suck at the same time....doesn't ever work.
 
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tvols75 said:
Yes, because the class Lane Kiffin had already assembled and was in the driver seat for compared to the class Dooley left Jones to close on. Don't be dumb.
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Dooley came into middle of NCAA investigation. Jones came into clean program. Don't be dumb and underestimate what that means for recruiting.
 
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TGVol said:
You are gonna what? Everything in my post is 100% accurate (CDD finished ahead of CBJ in recruiting in all of his 3 years, and easily beat him in direct head to head matchup). I know this is not particularly comforting as we desperately want to believe our new coach is upgrade over the previous one - but those dam#ed facts have a nasty habit of interfering with sunshine pumping. :)
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Not pumping anything. I cherry picked from your post the part about Vandy out recruiting UT. It's easy to look at Rivals, and Rivals only, and see that they were #19 and we were #21 and say like everyone else, that we were out recruited by those sissy arse punks. The only reason they ranked higher in Rivals is because they pulled more recruits which is understandable. Our players actually had a higher star average and if we had signed the same number as Vandy we'd have ranked higher.

Secondly, 24/7 had us ranked a good bit higher that the west end pansies. Keep in mind that CBJ had 2 months to recruit vs Franklin who's been there 2 years. Also we found out later that Dooley pretty much abdicated his role as recruiter, re: see Vonn Bell. Also, Vandy was coming off the best season in their history and we had the worst Tennessee Team in the last 40 years. So, it wasn't an apples to apples comparison and I don't think you can make that statement without context.

Also, don't think you can even remotely grade CBJ as a recruiter after 2 months. Dooley recruited ok (his initial classes looked great on signing day but look at how they panned out as whole- who started, contributed, still in the program) but he wasnt even in on a lot of the big players that we lost this NSD - Jones came in at the 11th hour and got visits and consideration from Bell, Lawson, Ford and Bellamy to name a few. If CBJs 2014 class ranks lower on both recruiting service lists than Pansybilt then I'll join the chorus of "Jones got out recruited by Vandy". Then you'll at least have a fair comparison with a level playing field.

Didn't mean to blast your entire post, most was reasonable, and your statement that were we out recruited by Vandy was technically right if you just glance at Rivals. Just,as I said, don't think is an accurate depiction given all factors.
 
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