View: There is a generational war looming in the GOP

[GAVol]

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They don't compromise to reduce their power.

That's not a problem with the two party system. That's a problem with politicians in general.

 

[lawgator1]

the real question is the degree and if it really effects the election. obama winning by a wide margin over a white old guy would suggest the degree isn't great enough to even have this debate.

Wait, what? You're suggesting that because a black man ran for and won the presidency that in certain regions, industries, groups, etc, there still isn't "enough" racism to make it worthwhile to point out and discuss?

That's absurd!

 

[droski]

Wait, what? You're suggesting that because a black man ran for and won the presidency that in certain regions, industries, groups, etc, there still isn't "enough" racism to make it worthwhile to point out and discuss?

That's absurd!

you can discuss it all you like. the problem comes when you start basing all anti-obama opinions based on this theory that the country is filled with a bunch of racists despite teh overwelming evidence to suggest otherwise.

 

[lawgator1]

you can discuss it all you like. the problem comes when you start basing all anti-obama opinions based on this theory that the country is filled with a bunch of racists despite teh overwelming evidence to suggest otherwise.

I agree that there are many legitimate criticisms of Obama and certainly even those that I don't agree with can nonetheless be justified by something other than racism.

The irony is that the people who have hurt the most in terms of kind of a boy who cried wolf mentality, are some of the leadership. Trump, in particular, said a number of things that, if not outright based on racism, tweak at racial suspicion and stereotype.

That does, in turn, make it easier for media or the left to assume that other, subsequent criticism, are veiled.

 

[droski]

Trump, in particular, said a number of things that, if not outright based on racism, tweak at racial suspicion and stereotype.

you mean he criticized obama. thank you for proving my point. those looking for racism will generally find it. look how quickly i found racism in CSVol's statements. it's not difficult.

 

[JayVols]

Do conservatives did not influence the D candidate, but the D's saddled the R's with McCain?
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Can you please try to get sjt18 or whatever to see his contradictions? I tried, but he sees his views as right and absolute while anyone with a differing opinion (spread by unsavory elements of chaos and destruction) is flat wrong. And he can prove it by truths (according to his beliefs). Alas, never mind, he's just another lost cause....:hi:

 

[CSVol]

you mean he criticized obama. thank you for proving my point. those looking for racism will generally find it. look how quickly i found racism in CSVol's statements. it's not difficult.

Yeah you saw right through me. It seems in this thread you're the one looking for racism.

 

[droski]

Yeah you saw right through me. It seems in this thread you're the one looking for racism.

amazing how easily you can find it when you want to isn't it?

 

[CSVol]

amazing how easily you can find it when you want to isn't it?

Well let's see. I pointed out there are racists in the South. By doing so, somehow in your eyes I'm a racist. Using your logic, saying there are racists makes you a racist. Therefore I must assume you are a racist.

 

[droski]

Well let's see. I pointed out there are racists in the South. By doing so, somehow in your eyes I'm a racist. Using your logic, saying there are racists makes you a racist. Therefore I must assume you are a racist.

actually you argued the more black people there were the more racist people get. if you can't see how that's a racist statement i don't know what to tell you.

 

[CSVol]

actually you argued the more black people there were the more racist people get. if you can't see how that's a racist statement i don't know what to tell you.

You completely missed my point. I merely showed that states with large black populations still went to McCain. You also completely ingnored my statement that where more races interact, the more likely racism occurs on all sides. I'll say again, though you will ignore it b/c it doesn't support whatever agenda you're trying to push, that I don't agree with racism in any form. But continue to twist my statements into whatever you wish.

 

[droski]

you seriously are arguing the racism argument for lack of support of obama isn't pushing an agenda?

 

[MG1968]

You completely missed my point. I merely showed that states with large black populations still went to McCain. You also completely ingnored my statement that where more races interact, the more likely racism occurs on all sides. I'll say again, though you will ignore it b/c it doesn't support whatever agenda you're trying to push, that I don't agree with racism in any form. But continue to twist my statements into whatever you wish.

larger than New York, Florida, California, Illinois, Ohio and Michigan?

 

[CSVol]

The exact same thing could be said of the GOP. And while I can't know how many rednecks you are familiar with, I'm related to quite a few and know many more who would never vote for a black canidate no matter how qualified he or she was. I don't agree with it but it is a reality. And also not limited to the South.

droski, please explain how you reached the conclusion that I'm a racist from this post. I don't support BO blindly, but my issues have nothing to do with race.
My point was, and remains some do have this issue. You can believe it or not.

 

[CSVol]

larger than New York, Florida, California, Illinois, Ohio and Michigan?

Which of these are in the South? I already referenced FL.

 

[droski]

droski, please explain how you reached the conclusion that I'm a racist from this post. I don't support BO blindly, but my issues have nothing to do with race.
My point was, and remains some do have this issue. You can believe it or not.

some people have an issue with a lot of stupid things. that doesn't mean that the south's support of mccain is because of race.

 

[CSVol]

some people have an issue with a lot of stupid things. that doesn't mean that the south's support of mccain is because of race.

40 years of a successful Southern Strategy would indicate otherwise. Since I'm just speaking from a lifetime of personal experience, I must know the only racists in the south. And I guess I was the only racist to vote for BO.

 

[droski]

40 years of a successful Southern Strategy would indicate otherwise. Since I'm just speaking from a lifetime of personal experience, I must know the only racists in the south. And I guess I was the only racist to vote for BO.

i guess times can't change. sad. you might want to ask yourself why you know so many racists. voting for obama doesn't stop you from being a racist. that's absurd. people vote in their self interest before race.

 

[MG1968]

funny how the left uses the GOP's "Southern Strategy" as a means to point out alleged institutionalized racism but they make excuses for the democrat-led filibuster of the Civil Rights Act.

 

[CSVol]

i guess times can't change. sad. you might want to ask yourself why you know so many racists. voting for obama doesn't stop you from being a racist. that's absurd. people vote in their self interest before race.

Again, when you speak of the South you know very little. Your igrorance and naiveness are astounding.

 

[CSVol]

funny how the left uses the GOP's "Southern Strategy" as a means to point out alleged institutionalized racism but they make excuses for the democrat-led filibuster of the Civil Rights Act.

How do you define the Southern Strategy?

 

[utvolpj]

40 years of a successful Southern Strategy would indicate otherwise. Since I'm just speaking from a lifetime of personal experience, I must know the only racists in the south. And I guess I was the only racist to vote for BO.

there are racists everywhere. To claim Obama lost certain states because of race just doesn't add up. There aren't enough to make a difference anyway

 

[droski]

Again, when you speak of the South you know very little. Your igrorance and naiveness are astounding.

seems like a lot of people here from the south disagree with you. and i've met a couple of people from college station and many of them are dumbass rednecks. doesn't mean the rest of the state is like that.

 

[CSVol]

seems like a lot of people here from the south disagree with you. and i've met a couple of people from college station and many of them are dumbass rednecks. doesn't mean the rest of the state is like that.

A lot? I've seen 2. And I'm not from College Station.

 

[sjt18]

How do you define the Southern Strategy?

After being abandoned by the Dems on a whole range of issues, not just race relations, whites in southern and conservative states moved (grudgingly) to the GOP. The establishment provided them a "home" cynically using them to gain more power. That whole situation has evolved to where now the establishment fears its own conservatives more than Dems.

The real battle isn't generational. It is between conservatives and establishment types.

Issues in case you are wondering: state's rights(as in whether a state can make up its own rules without federal interference on basic issues of governance), abortion, taxes, the welfare state, women's lib, the sexual revolution in its whole, antagonism toward Christianity generally, gun rights, property rights,...

Yes these former Dems were opposed to forced bussing. Many opposed the civil rights movement in large or complete measure. But the issues were more fundamental and comprehensive than just race.