Viktor Orban and Hungary

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DonjoVol said:
They did beat an SEC team in their bowl game last year. They have significantly improved the last 6 years. Monken is also a very good coach.

They were pretty awful for some time before that though as you've mentioned and as most people who follow college football outside the SEC know.
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Lmao they won over a terrible Mizzou team by 2 pts that we obliterated because of a bad ref call. They lost to Ball St last season and beat the Citadel 14-9. They are slow and terrible and not even close to our level maybe they can beat a MAC team this season?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Lmao they won over a terrible Mizzou team by 2 pts that we obliterated because of a bad ref call. They lost to Ball St last season and beat the Citadel 14-9. They are slow and terrible and not even close to our level maybe they can beat a MAC team this season?
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I guess you better be calling the AD's office on Monday morning and explain to them how Akron, Ball State, and UT Martin are beneath Tennessee and that we shouldn't be playing them. We need to replace those games with programs like Oklahoma, Michigan, and Notre Dame. No more scheduling MAC and FCS teams. I'm sure you've got 10 to 15 minutes to spare to call and voice your displeasure with our upcoming schedule.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I guess you better be calling the AD's office on Monday morning and explain to them how Akron, Ball State, and UT Martin are beneath Tennessee and that we shouldn't be playing them. We need to replace those games with programs like Oklahoma, Michigan, and Notre Dame. No more scheduling MAC and FCS teams. I'm sure you've got 10 to 15 minutes to spare to call and voice your displeasure with our upcoming schedule.
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That is just brilliant. We play Bama, Georgia and Florida every year along with the grind of a standard SEC schedule and you want to add in Oklahoma, Michigan and Notre Dame. Uh, no. Tennessee year in and year out plays one of the toughest schedules in the country. Nobody else is doing what you are suggesting. Why should we? Blatantly silly suggestion. Try to do better.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Seems that hearing another side to this conflict upsets many in here.

I mean if Ukraine and the West are winning then it shouldn't upset anyone to hear another side to the story.

I've been to Japan and Thailand and can tell you both are beautiful places and wouldn't mind living out my retirement years in either place. There are countries just as good as the U.S.
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How much time did you spend in Japan and Thailand? There's a big difference between visiting a place and living there.
That being said, everywhere has pros and cons. On the con side, Japan is xenophobic and Thailand's rule of law is lacking. But both are indeed nice to visit, and I know people in both countries who live happily as expatriates.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I guess you better be calling the AD's office on Monday morning and explain to them how Akron, Ball State, and UT Martin are beneath Tennessee and that we shouldn't be playing them. We need to replace those games with programs like Oklahoma, Michigan, and Notre Dame. No more scheduling MAC and FCS teams. I'm sure you've got 10 to 15 minutes to spare to call and voice your displeasure with our upcoming schedule.
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Another strawmen/non sequitur argument. You were stating that Army was somehow better than a FCS or Akron team but they’ve lost to both multiple times in the past few years. There’s a reason no one takes them seriously
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Another strawmen/non sequitur argument. You were stating that Army was somehow better than a FCS or Akron team but they’ve lost to both multiple times in the past few years. There’s a reason no one takes them seriously
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It's not a strawman/ non sequitur argument. If Army is beneath Tennessee then so are MAC and FCS teams according to your logic. So we shouldn't be playing them and it seems like your issue is with the AD's office so I hope your on the phone calling them first thing tomorrow morning. As we should only be playing teams who aren't beneath us in non conference games. Teams like Michigan, Oklahoma, Clemson, Ohio State, USC, etc. I'm sure you would agree. And I'm sure you have faith in our players and coaching staff to be prepared for these opponents. Once again this is your own logic.

Ask Michigan, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, and Mizzou fans what they think of playing Army. Tennessee hasn't performed much better in non conference games over the years. Remember Georgia St and Wyoming? I was at the UAB game in 2010 when they should have beat us as well. Lucky for us they missed 5 FGs in regulation.

6-5 record against Vandy the last 11 years. 3-30 record against Florida, Bama, and Georgia since 2010. You talk about Navy owning Army. Three of our rivals own us.
 
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DonjoVol said:
It's not a strawman/ non sequitur argument. If Army is beneath Tennessee then so are MAC and FCS teams according to your logic. So we shouldn't be playing them and it seems like your issue is with the AD's office so I hope your on the phone calling them first thing tomorrow morning. As we should only be playing teams who aren't beneath us in non conference games. Teams like Michigan, Oklahoma, Clemson, Ohio State, USC, etc. I'm sure you would agree. And I'm sure you have faith in our players and coaching staff to be prepared for these opponents. Once again this is your own logic.

Ask Michigan, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, and Mizzou fans what they think of playing Army. Tennessee hasn't performed much better in non conference games over the years. Remember Georgia St and Wyoming? I was at the UAB game in 2010 when they should have beat us as well. Lucky for us they missed 5 FGs in regulation.

6-5 record against Vandy the last 11 years. 3-30 record against Florida, Bama, and Georgia since 2010. You talk about Navy owning Army. Three of our rivals own us.
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My point was that army was no different than the other midmajor teams you mentioned. They are nothing special no matter how much you sit at home and jerk off about them. The fact you brag about them “almost” beating P5 teams is hilarious while excusing how they regularly get beat by the likes of Ball St, Akron, Fordham, UConn etc. and comparing us losing to National title winning teams the last decade to army losing to weak teams is also hilarious. Not even the same ballpark.

And this arbitrary 11 games against Vandy you count while ignoring the last 80 years against them is pretty funny too. We have dominated candy and always will including our current own age of them.

Maybe you could run over to Army’s board and tell them how good they are compared to UT but they don’t even have one because they like you are pretty meaningless
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
My point was that army was no different than the other midmajor teams you mentioned. They are nothing special no matter how much you sit at home and jerk off about them. The fact you brag about them “almost” beating P5 teams is hilarious while excusing how they regularly get beat by the likes of Ball St, Akron, Fordham, UConn etc. and comparing us losing to National title winning teams the last decade to army losing to weak teams is also hilarious. Not even the same ballpark.

And this arbitrary 11 games against Vandy you count while ignoring the last 80 years against them is pretty funny too. We have dominated candy and always will including our current own age of them.

Maybe you could run over to Army’s board and tell them how good they are compared to UT but they don’t even have one because they like you are pretty meaningless
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Then we should have no problem playing Army since those other teams you mentioned were able to handle them just fine. What are you scared of?

Or if they are beneath us like you said then so are the MAC teams they sometimes play and we shouldn't be playing them either. Let's have some faith in Heupel, the rest of our coaching staff, and our players and schedule some better non conference competition. Teams that aren't beneath us like you said.

A 3-30 record against three of our regular conference opponents since 2010 is not good at all. We haven't beat Bama since 2005. You should be worrying about that a lot more than Navy owning Army. We also had no business losing to Purdue in our last bowl game.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Then we should have no problem playing Army since those other teams you mentioned were able to handle them just fine. What are you scared of?

Or if they are beneath us like you said then so are the MAC teams they sometimes play and we shouldn't be playing them either. Let's have some faith in Heupel, the rest of our coaching staff, and our players and schedule some better non conference competition. Teams that aren't beneath us like you said.

A 3-30 record against three of our regular conference opponents since 2010 is not good at all. We haven't beat Bama since 2005. You should be worrying about that a lot more than Navy owning Army. We also had no business losing to Purdue in our last bowl game.
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We aren’t playing them no matter how much toy cry about it. You will have to find some other midmajor unskilled white boys that couldn’t cut it elsewhere to cheer for
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
We aren’t playing them no matter how much toy cry about it. You will have to find some other midmajor unskilled white boys that couldn’t cut it elsewhere to cheer for
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We were scared to play their offense. That's what it boiled down to and you know it. So you probably shouldn't say they are beneath us when we have UT Martin (FCS) and Akron on our schedule next season. I remember when we used to not schedule FCS teams at all.
 
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DonjoVol said:
We were scared to play their offense. That's what it boiled down to and you know it. So you probably shouldn't say they are beneath us when we have UT Martin (FCS) and Akron on our schedule next season. I remember when we used to not schedule FCS teams at all.
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We aren’t scared to play them. We didn’t want our good football players who will actually make it in life taking cheap shots to their knees every play by guys who barely made it off a high school field. And Tennessee has played FCS schools every decade except 1
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
We aren’t scared to play them. We didn’t want our good football players who will actually make it in life taking cheap shots to their knees every play by guys who barely made it off a high school field. And Tennessee has played FCS schools every decade except 1
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I've been following Tennessee football since 1985. We didn't play an FCS team most of the Majors era and all of Fulmer's era. I believe in Kiffin's lone season we didn't play one. So from 1985 to 2009 we didn't play any FCS teams.

Army plays good, clean, fundamental football. That's why they are extremely disciplined and are often one of the least penalized teams in college football.
 
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DonjoVol said:
The leftist media is wearing out these Nazi comparisons. When in reality they are closer to Nazis than the people they actually accuse of being Nazis.
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Think about this... Jesse Owens was allowed to compete in the 1936 Olympics and was the star of the show. Yet The All England Tennis Club prevented Russians from competing (outside of the alleged Kazakh/Russian woman from winning).

And the Australian and US Open targeting a Serb.

The West hates Slavs more than I could ever realize.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Think about this... Jesse Owens was allowed to compete in the 1936 Olympics and was the star of the show. Yet The All England Tennis Club prevented Russians from competing (outside of the alleged Kazakh/Russian woman from winning).

And the Australian and US Open targeting a Serb.

The West hates Slavs more than I could ever realize.
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The All England Tennis Club worse than Hitler?

Possibly.
 
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However you want to label the guy, he's holding up despotic countries as examples to follow. Russia, China, Turkey, India, LOL He's a great replacement conspiracy theorist, nationalist, protectionist, etc.

The opposition really does itself a disservice by misrepresenting him. Right-wingers don't care what you are actually about as long as you are the enemy of their enemy and they lie about you. See Trump, for example.
 
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I thought diversity was our strength? Are we not allowed to have differences of opinion? Or must we go along with the mob?

Hungary can 'no longer be considered a full democracy,' says EU Parliament | CNN

The E.U. must punish Viktor Orban, Hungary’s authoritarian leader

Insults and dog whistles...
For a second-rate strongman, Mr. Orban, prime minister of a landlocked country with a population on par with that of Honduras, has punched way above his weight. Though Hungary is a member of the E.U. as well as NATO, he has stood apart as a stalwart ally of Vladimir Putin, the Russian dictator. And when he appeared last month before the Conservative Political Action Conference in Texas, he received a rousing welcome despite having warned days earlier that immigration threatened to remake Hungary into a “mixed-race” country — a remark that prompted the resignation of one of his top aides, who said correctly that it evoked Nazi dogma.
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Regime change?
Predictably, Mr. Orban has dispatched envoys to Brussels who have promised a strict new anti-corruption regime. But such pledges have turned out to be trickery in the past, with little effect on Mr. Orban’s deepening autocracy. Some European officials, notwithstanding previous hoodwinking, propose giving Hungary more leeway. That would be a mistake. For Mr. Orban, time should be up.
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None of the major MSM sites seem to want to cover this, but this is a wild story that just broke.

Serbian President claims Bill Clinton demanded Hungary attack Serbia during 1999 NATO operation

“In 1999, Hungary was supposed to attack Serbia with ground forces, which [Hungarian Prime Minister] Viktor Orban confirmed to me and allowed me to tell the public about it.”

He added: “American President Bill Clinton demanded from him like the British, so that they attack the Republic of Serbia from the north, so that we stretch our forces to Vojvodina, which Viktor Orban refused and was under great pressure.
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The Brits always want someone else to do their dirty work. Margaret Thatcher, the champion of the Khmer Rouge, wanting to use the Hungarians as cannon fodder...

Vucic also claimed that Margaret Thatcher subsequently reproached Orban and “because of his refusal, more British soldiers died.”
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Nothing is more telling than right wingers’ love affair with dictators.

If you dislike freedom so much move to Hungary then. You won’t be missed.
 
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