Vince Dooley Says Derek......

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VKAman said:
We probably aren't worse than when he got here, but the "improvements" that we've made since then could likely have been replicated by half the people in Neyland.
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I think there's some truth to that. A lot of it was just having the same guy in charge after those rapid fire coaching changes.
 
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AlaskaVol said:
As a self imployed person and an employer this makes me sick. Paying Fulmer for his service was a far cry from paying for a total failure. Hammy should be sued by the State of Tennessee. Almost everyone else is more likely to be sued for their mistakes than given money.

Dooley soils his name and will not get another significant head coach job for taking this money. He, his father and anyone else who would perform as poorly as he has and hold the employer to a contract is dirt.

Besides suing Hammy, the university should fire Cheeks and anyone else responsible for dd getting 5 or 6 million dollars.

Apparently the Dooleys really have no pride.
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Dooley wasn't good, but this post is just ignut.....he had a contract.....a legal document outlining the terms of the deal. He took it and you would have too. Hamilton is the one you should be pissed at.....he let Kiffin get away with little to no buy out and then gives Dooley a contract like this.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
You're so full of it. You, Orangeblazer, sjt and Woodsmanvol just to name a few were all about DD and attacked any of us who ever questioned anything about him. I'm glad you FINALLY think he needed to be fired. Haha
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Actually Sparty was saying that he may not be cut out for the job for a while. He just doesn't say it with the low self esteem negativity that the likes of you feel the need to. Just like he's been trying to look at the difference between 10 and '12. Somewhat knowing his professional background he understands the difficulties of such a rebuild. Im pro-Dooley and not ashamed to say it. Still think he would have done well if he was given the amount of time he was promised. Frankly don't care what you think about me either.

Sparty, some others and I all saw the rebuild and it's difficulties. Difference is that he and some others started to wonder if he would be able to pull it off. Not because he's stupid or incompetent, but to many factors in play. Especially with the shorten time frame given, and the difficulties with dealing with UTs admin.

GAVol said:
It's funny that people think that Bryce Brown was Dooley's fault.
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Yeah and losing JJ and AD were his fault too. Some on here just baffle me.

thebjd said:
I say we just blame everything on Dooley and put it all behind us. Butch gets a clean slate. We know this isn't the best roster he is taking over and we also have a tougher schedule. I will keep an open mind and see what he does with the situation he has been presented.
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CBJ has a tougher first yr schedule then DD had...really??? Outside of the East schedule (which was down some I'll give that) but we faced LSU (in BR), Bama, Ark (with Petrino)...the top teams in the West. Oh yeah we faced OR too.
 
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He didn't get it done, period. He mad many mistakes. He walked off the field with 4 NFL picks running the O on 3rd and 10 with good field position against Missouri. No way he could keep the job after that and didn't deserve a shot at his 4th year. Again, I never said Dooley would get us anywhere. I just hoped and was on the ride until it ended. I am glad it is over. Just doesn't make sense to me to complain about the inevitable, and him being HC the last 2 years was inevitable.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
He didn't get it done, period. He mad many mistakes. He walked off the field with 4 NFL picks running the O on 3rd and 10 with good field position against Missouri. No way he could keep the job after that and didn't deserve a shot at his 4th year. Again, I never said Dooley would get us anywhere. I just hoped and was on the ride until it ended. I am glad it is over. Just doesn't make sense to me to complain about the inevitable, and him being HC the last 2 years was inevitable.
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Funny thing is that when he made that decision at the end of the mizzou game I knew exactly why he did it. Told the mizzou fan sitting near me and he confirmed it in his presser. Frankly did not trust the nfl picks to get it done. Why would he?? They had 2 drives in the 4th qtr with the score 28-21 to put it away and they hadn't. We didnt have a kicker to depend on either. Let's be honest if he had gone for it and failed and lost in OT he'd still be b*tched at for it. Not saying the guy didn't make mistakes, but frankly we don't know everything about why certain decisions were made. So saying he's incompetent like many ecoaches on here do is just ignorant.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Funny thing is that when he made that decision at the end of the mizzou game I knew exactly why he did it. Told the mizzou fan sitting near me and he confirmed it in his presser. Frankly did not trust the nfl picks to get it done. Why would he?? They had 2 drives in the 4th qtr with the score 28-21 to put it away and they hadn't. We didnt have a kicker to depend on either. Let's be honest if he had gone for it and failed and lost in OT he'd still be b*tched at for it. Not saying the guy didn't make mistakes, but frankly we don't know everything about why certain decisions were made. So saying he's incompetent like many ecoaches on here do is just ignorant.
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Noone packs it in there with Bray's arm and Hunter, CP, Z rogers and Rivera at disposal and a chance to save your job. It was 3rd and 10, not 25. Secondly, how can he say he had confidence in his O in overtime if he basically just told them that he didn't have confidence in them? Third, why the hell he thought we could stop anyone in OT there is beyond me. And last, saying he was worried about their PR is flat out dumb. Kick it straight out of bounds. No brainer.

Fact is that he is gone, and we will be better off. We will be better off when people stop blaming him for every little thing that happened and move on, and we'll be better off when people that wished he were still coach realize decisions like the Mizzou game, in the long haul, are terrible decisions that have nothing to do with the craphole he walked into and the problems surrounding the program.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Noone packs it in there with Bray's arm and Hunter, CP, Z rogers and Rivera at disposal and a chance to save your job. It was 3rd and 10, not 25. Secondly, how can he say he had confidence in his O in overtime if he basically just told them that he didn't have confidence in them? Third, why the hell he thought we could stop anyone in OT there is beyond me. And last, saying he was worried about their PR is flat out dumb. Kick it straight out of bounds. No brainer.

Fact is that he is gone, and we will be better off. We will be better off when people stop blaming him for every little thing that happened and move on, and we'll be better off when people that wished he were still coach realize decisions like the Mizzou game, in the long haul, are terrible decisions that have nothing to do with the craphole he walked into and the problems surrounding the program.
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Ok. We're gonna have to agree to disagree on the the handling of the mizzou game. Trust me I would have preferred he go for it, but don't think the decision he made shows his incompetence. We r all just people looking in and can ecoach all day without knowing truly what the reasons were behind everything he did.

I read a post by Deerpark the other day that simply said that bray would throw the long ball on plays set up for short passes. The team knew it and receivers on the short patterns would get upset when open. I'm thinking these are things that DP heard while being in the AD office and it's hard not to think that this kind of behavior by Bray lead to DDs decision in this type of situation. Just IMHO that's all...
 
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yeah, agree to disagree.

My opinion isn't based on the word incompetent. It's based on folding your tent with your job on the line, a chance to save it, and a team, staff and fans waiting on you to make something happen.
I've been watching football since the Cowboys in the 70's and haven't seen that particular sequence of events, with what was on the line for him personally, happen before. I think he overthought way too much, and it cost him quite often.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
yeah, agree to disagree.

My opinion isn't based on the word incompetent. It's based on folding your tent with your job on the line, a chance to save it, and a team, staff and fans waiting on you to make something happen.
I've been watching football since the Cowboys in the 70's and haven't seen that particular sequence of events, with what was on the line for him personally, happen before. I think he overthought way too much, and it cost him quite often.
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I'll agree he over thought it way to much. Like I said I knew why he did it when he was doing it, so if some regular fan can think of it its not totally a new concept. I've been watching football a long time too and don't remember if I've ever seen it done or not but I'm sure it wasn't the first and only time. Probably not the last time either. Frankly he didn't have confidence in his O to do the job he wanted them to. Heck I didn't either after watching the 4th qtr of that game.
 
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After. year 1, I thought Dooley overreacted a lot. Maybe he felt the pressure. Bringing in Worley at Alabama puzzled me because it forced him to stay with Worley. Switching to 3-4 was a disastrous decision.

Hopefully, Jones will make better decisions.
 
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I'm sure somebody will get on that investigation right away and you will have an answer before sunset.
 
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will dooley move to his huge lake mansion or keep his mansion in knoxville for awhile while the market is still down?
 
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