Vince Dooley Says Derek......

[vollygirl]

DD inherited TB who is better than any qb on the roster. DD inherited BB. If he was a better , less arrogant coach he could have kept him. WR we were way better. Db also. Alot of players left because they came to play for a coach that had us going in the right direction but didn't want to play for a loser from the WAC. He lost alot of talebt he inherited. BB, JJ, AD etc.

He "lost" a lot of talent?

I'm not even getting in to this today. Merry Christmas K-town. I hope you and your loved ones have a very Merry Christmas! (that is said with total sincerity!)

 

[Spartacavolus]

Where did I say we had a plethora of depth? Where the hell is our depth now? The reality is we're in as bad if not worse shape than when your hero arrived. You were wrong about him when he was here and you're wrong now that he's gone.
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We aren't starting a 3rd string TE at dt anymore, are we? Our ol sucked so bad when Dooley arrived, 4 freshmen ended up starting. Freshmen that weren't there prior. And 3, if not 4, will play NFL.
And find one post where I said Dooley was the man to take us to championships. Just one post. I figure since you keep saying he was my hero, that you should back it up, or shut it.

 

[1972 Grad]

DD inherited TB who is better than any qb on the roster. DD inherited BB. If he was a better , less arrogant coach he could have kept him. WR we were way better. Db also. Alot of players left because they came to play for a coach that had us going in the right direction but didn't want to play for a loser from the WAC. He lost alot of talebt he inherited. BB, JJ, AD etc.

Bill Snyder at Kansas State is one of the most respected coaches in college football. If he had been "less arrogant," could he have kept BB?

 

[Spartacavolus]

Not sure we can be worse at QB than 2010. Probably not as good at WR, but we'll see. I'll take Lane and Neal over Tauren Poole just for the mere fact that there's two of them. No shot at Nick Reveiz, but there aren't many SEC teams where he'd ever start at MLB. DB was a disaster last year that I hope gets fixed by scheme.

Forgetting the position comparisons, I think just having 80 on scholarship vs the 65-70 we had when Dooley got here makes a difference.

Hate blinds people from being objective. Obviously Dooley sucked. It's done and he's gone. But he ended up starting a ton of freshmen early in their careers due to lack of talent and depth at ol, wr, dl, lb, dl and db. Out of those, @ 5 ol, 3 wr, 1 te, 2,dl, and 2 lb will be drafted in the next 2 drafts, after averaging @ 1 in 2010 and '11, which were classes from fulmer and kiffin. @ a dozen drafted in next 2 years, vs maybe 3? drafted in last 2 years should say enough about the situation Butch is coming into vs Dooley, but it won't register with some skulls. It's going to be tough, but there is no comparison, other than it won't be easy.

 

[VolBeef88]

Hate blinds people from being objective. Obviously Dooley sucked. It's done and he's gone. But he ended up starting a ton of freshmen early in their careers due to lack of talent and depth at ol, wr, dl, lb, dl and db. Out of those, @ 5 ol, 3 wr, 1 te, 2,dl, and 2 lb will be drafted in the next 2 drafts, after averaging @ 1 in 2010 and '11, which were classes from fulmer and kiffin. @ a dozen drafted in next 2 years, vs maybe 3? drafted in last 2 years should say enough about the situation Butch is coming into vs Dooley, but it won't register with some skulls. It's going to be tough, but there is no comparison, other than it won't be easy.

You're so full of it. You were one of the leaders of defend Dooley no matter what brigade. He took us to historically low depths. His best year was his 1st year. You can try and act as if you weren't a DD defender until the end. But many of us know you were.
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[Spartacavolus]

You're so full of it. You were one of the leaders of defend Dooley no matter what brigade. He took us to historically low depths. His best year was his 1st year. You can try and act as if you weren't a DD defender until the end. But many of us know you were.
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Like I said, find a post where I said he was the man. Or, find a post where I said he didn't need to be fired. Ban bet. I would love to not see you on here whining and lying the entire year of 2013. So put up or shut up.

I support the team, the program, and the coach on the sidelines until it changes. I supported dickey, majors, fulmer, kiffin, and Dooley, and chaney the last game, and now will do the same with Butch. That's how I roll. I know its hard to imagine someone not acting like a fool during the trying times, but some of us are capable. Some of you are not. Some of us can move on and see what's next. Others can't.

 

[allvol123]

. Obviously Dooley sucked. .

For many of us, it was obvious.

Never saw that stance from you while he was here.

 

[Spartacavolus]

For many of us, it was obvious.

Never saw that stance from you while he was here.

Maybe hope? I don't know. Not my style. You don't see me making predictions on here in either direction regarding players and coaches very often. Nothing I could do about Dooley being coach. I never felt we could do much. Never predicted even 9 wins. But it did me no good to harp on the negative. It was hard enough already.
Crazy thing is, with a semi decent D, they could've won more games and he would still be here. I am thankful that ugliness of the offseason isn't ahead of us all. If he was my hero, which is so childishly ridiculous, how would I have that viewpoint.

 

[VolBeef88]

Like I said, find a post where I said he was the man. Or, find a post where I said he didn't need to be fired. Ban bet. I would love to not see you on here whining and lying the entire year of 2013. So put up or shut up.

I support the team, the program, and the coach on the sidelines until it changes. I supported dickey, majors, fulmer, kiffin, and Dooley, and chaney the last game, and now will do the same with Butch. That's how I roll. I know its hard to imagine someone not acting like a fool during the trying times, but some of us are capable. Some of you are not. Some of us can move on and see what's next. Others can't.

You're so full of it. You, Orangeblazer, sjt and Woodsmanvol just to name a few were all about DD and attacked any of us who ever questioned anything about him. I'm glad you FINALLY think he needed to be fired. Haha
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[AshG]

Everyone that approved Dooley's contract should be fired. The amount of his severance pay is absolutely foolish. We were not hiring a coach with a record. We could have hired the Maryville High coach and done better. Today's situation with exorbitant buyouts for failures must stop and these people need to be brought into the real world.

So is it that you won't answer the basic questions I asked of you earlier, or that you can't? I'll take further ignoring as the latter, and the answering according to the former speaks to the veracity of your previous and current line of arguments.

In case you forgot:

Two questions for you, good sir:

1) Were you to be involved in writing multi-million dollar coaching contracts, would you include an Out Clause for the University that allowed for the negation of said contract sans buyout or remuneration for the terminated party knowing full well that it was not a normal inclusion?

2) If said Out Clause was part of a contract and you were a candidate in the search process, would said Out Clause (allowing the University to empty your office and cancel your pay/benefits immediately upon some specific win/loss ratio) make you think twice about expressing interest in or even ultimately accepting the position?

The change in the core arguments from your much earlier post to your most recent post also interest me. What made you decide to go from a punitive loss of remuneration stance to one that addresses the buyout on the front end?

I eagerly await an intelligent and informed response to what is now three simple questions.

 

[TheGoodStuff]

Ashg

How difficult would it have been to put a performance clause in his contract? That is what burns me about the buyout not that Dd is collecting what he is owed.

For example a reduction in his buyout if terminated based upon a tiered w/l schedule.

In exchange offer him a tiered bonus schedule for good performance and bowl appearances

 

[OrangeDog]

And people still want to worship him because he "wanted to coach here."

I would like to coach here too!!!!!

 

[VolsRule]

UT hired dooley with a 17-20 recod at la tech, and thought things would be different at UT, in the SEC??? :lol:

 

[Bamasux]

As a self imployed person and an employer this makes me sick. Paying Fulmer for his service was a far cry from paying for a total failure. Hammy should be sued by the State of Tennessee. Almost everyone else is more likely to be sued for their mistakes than given money.

Dooley soils his name and will not get another significant head coach job for taking this money. He, his father and anyone else who would perform as poorly as he has and hold the employer to a contract is dirt.

Besides suing Hammy, the university should fire Cheeks and anyone else responsible for dd getting 5 or 6 million dollars.

Apparently the Dooleys really have no pride.

Your so full of crap... You would give the money back to the University? Liar, liar if that's the case you would be living in a van down by the river, oh wait you probably are or living in a trailer hanging off a cliff on a a mountain. Both coaches were fired Phil didn't retire he must be a piece of **** too if you want to claim Dooley as one.

 

[Bamasux]

Patients?

When did Derek become a doctor?

That was Dr. Doolittle not Dooley

 

[VolNExile]

Ashg

How difficult would it have been to put a performance clause in his contract? That is what burns me about the buyout not that Dd is collecting what he is owed.

For example a reduction in his buyout if terminated based upon a tiered w/l schedule.

In exchange offer him a tiered bonus schedule for good performance and bowl appearances

Who says that they didn't consider putting one in?

The point is, they had to offer a contract that Dooley would sign, and like it or not, we were very much the prom date dumped 20 minutes before the band started up. We were NOT in a position to negotiate all this stuff that seems so sensible now.

 

[GAVol]

DD inherited TB who is better than any qb on the roster. DD inherited BB. If he was a better , less arrogant coach he could have kept him. WR we were way better. Db also. Alot of players left because they came to play for a coach that had us going in the right direction but didn't want to play for a loser from the WAC. He lost alot of talebt he inherited. BB, JJ, AD etc.

It's funny that people think that Bryce Brown was Dooley's fault.

 

[TheGoodStuff]

Who says that they didn't consider putting one in?

The point is, they had to offer a contract that Dooley would sign, and like it or not, we were very much the prom date dumped 20 minutes before the band started up. We were NOT in a position to negotiate all this stuff that seems so sensible now.

Valid point.

However, if you could not get him to agree to a "worst case scenario"performance clause would u not be a little worried?

if a coach has so little confidence of success that he won't put his skin on the line, would it have been a grt loss if we went with an interim coach or went to the next? I honestly cannot believe DD did not expect to have a better w/l % than he achieved while he was here. I also can't imagine how he would justify his concern over some sort of performance clause with a very low bar.

As I mentioned above I don't fault DD but it seems the AD is not doing a great job of protecting itself. They were so polarized by LK leaving in the night ( last mistake of setting such a low buyout ) that they were focused on DD not doing the same rather than protecting the university from an inept coach.Hence the relatively high buyout on an unproven coach. Seems a bit knee jerk to me...

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

What kind of man lets his momma and daddy do his press releases for him?

 

[GAVol]

What kind of man lets his momma and daddy do his press releases for him?

The article isn't even about DD.

 

[rpeagram]

Just like last year after the KY loss.... What a big-o-chicken.... LOL ........ Last laugh is on the University... all the way to the bank......

 

[82_VOL_83]

A contract is a contract...Bucs are still paying Gruden for that SuperBowl lol

Isn't he coming here after his last payment?

 

[Wylo]

You said the trenches weren't better. And you were wrong.

Your drama queen "hero" junk is played out. If you knew anything about football, you'd know there isn't a comparison between our trench strength now, as compared to 3 years ago. You know very little, which is why you detour the topic, then start with bs insults, which are also inaccurate.
Same song, different day.

Calling someone else a drama queen?

You are quite the little drama queen yourself. Seems all you want to do is attack people and swell up your internet chest.

Bum.

 

[NashVol11]

The part about whether we're worse now than in 2010. Really doesn't matter though. This is kind of like arguing about how good the tread is on the tires of a bus that's upside down and on fire. Either way it's upside down and on fire.

We probably aren't worse than when he got here, but the "improvements" that we've made since then could likely have been replicated by half the people in Neyland.

 

[thebjd]

It's funny that people think that Bryce Brown was Dooley's fault.

I say we just blame everything on Dooley and put it all behind us. Butch gets a clean slate. We know this isn't the best roster he is taking over and we also have a tougher schedule. I will keep an open mind and see what he does with the situation he has been presented.