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So much hostility from you, it's strange that your 'non-obsession' personal attacks are stemming from this thread and not all from the back hand I gave you this morning.
I’m not in the least hostile . I just pointed out what you were doing , I’m sorry if it hurt your feelz I thought you had thicker skin that that . I didn’t realize your ego was this fragile , I’ll tone it down some just for you pumpkin .
Those folks followed their bad cult leaders to their demise. Thankfully, twelve children who had been sexually and physically abused were released to the FBI before the end. The Davidians shot and killed federal officers. They refused to surrender to authority and the Feds had all options are on the table to stop them. From all indications, they started the fires that killed them.
Go to an FBI tactical conference sometime and ask them about it. The field agents and training agents are pretty clear about their feelings on it.
I wouldn't expect someone who has never had law enforcement or legal training to understand simple concepts when they have a "political feeling" about something, but most of us can operate with using our knowledge to state general facts. Do you understand that the FBI lied about the drug trafficking charges on Koresh because under Texas State law, that was the only way they could use tanks and helicopters? or that DHS cleared the Branch Davidians of any child abuse charges weeks earlier, but Reno told Clinton they had to assault with gas because it was "costing too much money and children were being raped"...this is all easily discoverable facts. The judge even admitted later that the circumstantial evidence for the original "weapons charge" which started all of this had improper information that came out later.
I could care less about Koresh being a nutjob, i do care about rule of law
Raiding a compound without cause gets you killed also.
Nobody had to die if Reno and Clinton wasn't hell bent on making a show of force. Remember this little gem?
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They had two arrest warrants, one for Koresh and another for a member (can't remember his name). Koresh was in town both the day before the siege and the day of, they could have taken him without indecent. The other guy wasn't even there.
I did a paper on it and Ruby Ridge on improper law enforcement practices in college, so that's why I am so familiar with both cases.
Here is a snippet of each:
Ruby Ridge - Wikipedia
Waco siege - Wikipedia
IMO the Ruby Ridge was much more of a cluster even though only a few people were killed but the similarities in BOTH incidents are:
-ATF overreaching law to establish crimes that aren't there
-Federal agencies lying and miscommunicating to each other about what was going on
-Anger from LE about "they aren't listening to what we say"
-irrational fears from LE side about firearms
-Lack of communication with the suspects when they (especially Koresh) probably would've just come talk to them in person
-trumping up charges using "secret informants" to get "more serious charges"
-using media propaganda to push false narratives