Vitale: SEC 5th best Conference

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MikeHamiltonFan said:
I think very soon you will be able to argue the SEC is better than the Big 10. Ole Miss just drilled Indiana, Ohio State played UNC close but that is like Memphis playing Kansas close in that a loss is not something to define your conference as good and TN is going to play Purdue. Ohio State may be about to lose again to Cal.

Iowa also has worse losses at this point than Georgia. Wisconsin may lose soon to Arizona and Illinois could go down to the Terriers...
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The transitive property of sports is a fallacy. It just doesn't work outside of Algebra.
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#52
#52
MikeHamiltonFan said:
I think very soon you will be able to argue the SEC is better than the Big 10. Ole Miss just drilled Indiana, Ohio State played UNC close but that is like Memphis playing Kansas close in that a loss is not something to define your conference as good and TN is going to play Purdue. Ohio State may be about to lose again to Cal.

Iowa also has worse losses at this point than Georgia. Wisconsin may lose soon to Arizona and Illinois could go down to the Terriers...
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Too many woulda, couldas to try to make sense of this. Beating INdiana these days isn't like beating your daddy's Indiana. The Memphis loss does define CUSA, for this is the only CUSA team that any other school will play come NCAA tournament time.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
The transitive property of sports is a fallacy. It just doesn't work outside of Algebra.
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On my phone after vol game so I cannot link to it, but katz had an article that agreed with you that it is too soon to make anything of these returns. It mentioned santa clara. You and emain may be right. I want to take at least this away from early returns...tn can play with anyone in the country this year. You could not say that last year!
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#54
#54
UAB beat the hell out of UGA today..

nothing wrong with dickie v's list, as it is a preseason list.
 
#55
#55
It is kind of odd to feel like something you thought was clear was misunderstood. In everything I have ever written about the SEC I have said two things, 1. UGA is awful and 2. Auburn is awful. I have no hope for either team. If they continue to lose and be terrible and embarass the conference it is to be expected.

If Ole Miss got crushed by UAB it would really make me rethink my position on the league.

When you have 10 pretty good teams total and 5 of those are really good to great teams in a 12 team league that is great progress and probably holds up for you to be 3-4 in the country this year as far as a basketball conference.
 
#56
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
On my phone after vol game so I cannot link to it, but katz had an article that agreed with you that it is too soon to make anything of these returns. It mentioned santa clara. You and emain may be right. I want to take at least this away from early returns...tn can play with anyone in the country this year. You could not say that last year!
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If a team has the guards to dictate tempo, it will give us a better idea about what we have. Obviously, SHopson hitting 3 of every 4 from deep will change too. I think he has improved dramatically, but nobody playing D has helped.
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#57
#57
MikeHamiltonFan said:
It is kind of odd to feel like something you thought was clear was misunderstood. In everything I have ever written about the SEC I have said two things, 1. UGA is awful and 2. Auburn is awful. I have no hope for either team. If they continue to lose and be terrible and embarass the conference it is to be expected.

If Ole Miss got crushed by UAB it would really make me rethink my position on the league.

When you have 10 pretty good teams total and 5 of those are really good to great teams in a 12 team league that is great progress and probably holds up for you to be 3-4 in the country this year as far as a basketball conference.
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There aren't really 10 pretty good teams and certainly not 5 good to great. There are two good to great teams, a couple other respectable teams and everyone else.
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BigPapaVol said:
There aren't really 10 pretty good teams and certainly not 5 good to great. There are two good to great teams, a couple other respectable teams and everyone else.
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Exactly. Three is about as far as you are going to stretch the good to great category (I would say it is just good at this point), and 10 pretty good teams? Are we still talking about the SEC?
 
#59
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
On my phone after vol game so I cannot link to it, but katz had an article that agreed with you that it is too soon to make anything of these returns. It mentioned santa clara. You and emain may be right. I want to take at least this away from early returns...tn can play with anyone in the country this year. You could not say that last year!
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You can't say it this year either! You continue to get carried away by early season wins against poor opponents. We will know much more about this team after tomorrow night. At this point, I do not expect to win. Saying the SEC is better than the Big 10 is beyond stupid.
 
#60
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BasketvolsFan said:
You can't say it this year either! You continue to get carried away by early season wins against poor opponents. We will know much more about this team after tomorrow night. At this point, I do not expect to win. Saying the SEC is better than the Big 10 is beyond stupid.
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Beyond stupid? You must be expecting Purdue to crush TN.

What about Michigan State versus UK?

Ohio State versus Ole Miss?

Michigan versus Miss. State?

Are you relying on big wins like Tubby Smith leading Minnesota past...who? LSU would beat them.

I think it will be a great year to watch, and the SEC will not be close to the level of the Big East or ACC, but close to Big 10 and Big 12 and perhaps able to say we are better than both by the time conference play rolls around.
 
#61
#61
If we play like we did last night, the game will not be close. If you matched all SEC teams with the same level BIG TEN teams, they would win the majority of the games. Any one who knows anything about basketball knows we can't match them from top to bottom. SEC teams have had a terrible start to this season with few exceptions.
 
#62
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Beyond stupid? You must be expecting Purdue to crush TN.

What about Michigan State versus UK?

Ohio State versus Ole Miss?

Michigan versus Miss. State?

Are you relying on big wins like Tubby Smith leading Minnesota past...who? LSU would beat them.

I think it will be a great year to watch, and the SEC will not be close to the level of the Big East or ACC, but close to Big 10 and Big 12 and perhaps able to say we are better than both by the time conference play rolls around.
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Starting 1-2 against CUSA and having the 3rd best team get beat down by the 10th best Big East team, does not bode well for your argument. SEC is merely the top of the second tier conferences that include A-10, MVC, and CUSA.
 
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#64
tnman_1000 said:
Perdue whipped us....so i guesss dicky vitallleee is right
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Is this a joke?

One more layup and we whipped them? I am guessing you know the difference between the school and the chicken farmers and this post was a joke.

Cal...your time is coming. I thought TN would lose the Memphis game before the season started, and we might, but Bruce Pearl has done well against Tiger high so far. How does it feel to have a football team that is so bad that you cannot even talk about bringing in a good coach?
 
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#66
kidbourbon said:
I agree:
1) Big 10
2) Big 12
3) ACC
4) Big East
5) SEC
6) Pac 10

I didn't look at his list. If mine matches his, it is coincidence.
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It is crazy how far apart we are when it comes to the Big 10!

Lets see,
Nova, Syracuse, UConn, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pitt, Cincy, West Virginia...

I think they may have taken a step back as a conference this year from last years incredible dominance but I still think they beat the Big 10 over and over in a head to head of best 10 versus.
 
#67
#67
I thought you placed the SEC as the best conference. We continue to prove that over and over in the early season. Another brillant prediction by you MHF.
 
#68
#68
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Is this a joke?

One more layup and we whipped them? I am guessing you know the difference between the school and the chicken farmers and this post was a joke.

Cal...your time is coming. I thought TN would lose the Memphis game before the season started, and we might, but Bruce Pearl has done well against Tiger high so far. How does it feel to have a football team that is so bad that you cannot even talk about bringing in a good coach?
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This statement tells exactly how little you know about college basketball.
 
#69
#69
BasketvolsFan said:
I thought you placed the SEC as the best conference. We continue to prove that over and over in the early season. Another brillant prediction by you MHF.
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How about you show me where I said the sec will be the best conference this year and I will use the sig of your choice, and if you cannot you will admit that you cannot read.

Multiple threads now where you say I either did not say something I said, or did say something I did not. Even if you are very young, it is not that hard to read these threads and quote responses.

For the record, I think the acc and the big east are better than the second this year. I think the big 12 may be or may not be but I think that the big 10 will not end the season with as many highly rated teams as the sec.

Cal you are an odd bird. I predicted that tn would lose to memphis on the road and you as a memphis fan are saying that proves I know nothing about basketball? Weird...

By the way, if pearl ever left ut, I think pastner would be close to the top of my list. He reminds me of lane kiffin.
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#70
#70
Great win by Florida over Florida State last night.

Great win by Cincy over Maryland for Vanderbilt in that it made their loss to Cincy look better.

Horrible loss by Arkansas to Mo State.

Cornel is now 2-2 and firmly out of all top 25s.
 
#71
#71
MikeHamiltonFan said:
How about you show me where I said the sec will be the best conference this year and I will use the sig of your choice, and if you cannot you will admit that you cannot read.

Multiple threads now where you say I either did not say something I said, or did say something I did not. Even if you are very young, it is not that hard to read these threads and quote responses.

For the record, I think the acc and the big east are better than the second this year. I think the big 12 may be or may not be but I think that the big 10 will not end the season with as many highly rated teams as the sec.

Cal you are an odd bird. I predicted that tn would lose to memphis on the road and you as a memphis fan are saying that proves I know nothing about basketball? Weird...

By the way, if pearl ever left ut, I think pastner would be close to the top of my list. He reminds me of lane kiffin.
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I don't actually take time to read your posts--just skim them, as they are a waste of my time. You continue to praise the SEC with no basis for doing so. You also continue to make senseless predictions with no basis for doing so. Again, you rant that the Big Ten will have less ranked teams than the SEC with no factual basis for your predictions. However, every thing you post has no factual basis, so why would anyone be surprised????
 
#72
#72
BasketvolsFan said:
I don't actually take time to read your posts--just skim them, as they are a waste of my time. You continue to praise the SEC with no basis for doing so. You also continue to make senseless predictions with no basis for doing so. Again, you rant that the Big Ten will have less ranked teams than the SEC with no factual basis for your predictions. However, every thing you post has no factual basis, so why would anyone be surprised????
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I am going to try to cut you some slack and assume you are very young.

You show up on every thread I write, often quoting my posts and you say that you do not have the time to read them...

You also continue to ask me for a factual basis for my predictions. Preseason, a factual basis is impossible except for returning starters and guesses about recruits and former bench players. At this point in the year I have watched a good bit of basketball and base my evaluation of teams on what I have seen. Small sample size as sometimes I have only watched a team play once and other than that just looked at box scores but it is as much of a "factual basis" as most writers and sadly many voters use when deciding where to rank teams.
 
#73
#73
MikeHamiltonFan said:
I am going to try to cut you some slack and assume you are very young.

You show up on every thread I write, often quoting my posts and you say that you do not have the time to read them...

You also continue to ask me for a factual basis for my predictions. Preseason, a factual basis is impossible except for returning starters and guesses about recruits and former bench players. At this point in the year I have watched a good bit of basketball and base my evaluation of teams on what I have seen. Small sample size as sometimes I have only watched a team play once and other than that just looked at box scores but it is as much of a "factual basis" as most writers and sadly many voters use when deciding where to rank teams.
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Actually I am not very young, but I do thank you for admiting that you have no real knowledge and make your predictions on pure guessing of outcomes. Many of us watch several basketball games, but if you know any thing about basketball, you know you can't predict a season or specific game results based on watching a game or looking at box scores. You have completely proven my point in responding to your many posts, again, thank you! Unless HAT returns, we have no one to discuss the status of recruiting and team performance with. You are trying hard to take his place and have failed miserably.:snoring:
 
#74
#74
MikeHamiltonFan said:
How about you show me where I said the sec will be the best conference this year and I will use the sig of your choice, and if you cannot you will admit that you cannot read.

Multiple threads now where you say I either did not say something I said, or did say something I did not. Even if you are very young, it is not that hard to read these threads and quote responses.

For the record, I think the acc and the big east are better than the second this year. I think the big 12 may be or may not be but I think that the big 10 will not end the season with as many highly rated teams as the sec.

Cal you are an odd bird. I predicted that tn would lose to memphis on the road and you as a memphis fan are saying that proves I know nothing about basketball? Weird...
By the way, if pearl ever left ut, I think pastner would be close to the top of my list. He reminds me of lane kiffin.
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Yes I am a Memphis fan, but also a realist. Do you not realize that in addition to our previous coach leaving and taking the #1 recruiting class with him, we also had our usual attrition from graduation and early NBA entry (a foreign concept on the Hill). Pastner has only 8 scholarship players, most of which were role players at best on the previous teams. In what logical universe should this team, even playing at home, beat a consensus Top 10 team?

As far as UT ever getting a shot at Pastner when BP leaves, keep dreaming. It would be a step down from where he is now. He, like Cal, would only leave for the ARizona job + any of the handful of Premiere jobs (UCLA, Duke, UNC, UK).
 
#75
#75
emainvol said:
I wouldn't bank on that. The SEC gets 3 or 4 into the tourney. Of course, there is a great chance that two of those will be top eight seeds.
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Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Miss State, and Arkansas all make tourney

Kentucky and Tennessee could be as high as 2 or 3 seeds.
 
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