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n_huffhines said:
Your convenient story doesn't make sense. Let's see your denial letter.
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Hey Huff, rather than the petty back and forth, how about we have a meaningful discussion about the substantive policy issue here:

Does providing social safety net services to illegal immigrants consume resources that otherwise could be used for American citizens? If yes, are those expenditures appropriate, or to what extent should American social safety net dollars be allocated to American citizens?

I say, yes, American social service tax dollars are being spent on people who are here illegally.

I am also fine with support for illegal children, the disabled, or for people admitted for legit, proven asylum claims. I am also fine with emergency medical services to able-bodied illegals as long as they are then deported.

I am not for adding safety net expenses for illegals at the expense of American citizens who would have been received services but for diminishing resources.
 
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McDad said:
I appreciate tech is your day to day life. But I wouldn't trust ChatGPT on something like this.

Ritz doesn't strike me as a liar or someone who embellishes.
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And lolz at the idea that Huff is demanding the “rejection letter” where they tell them explicitly that which he is demanding.

Ritz likely spoke to a human being, offline.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I used my common sense, not Chat GPT. Chat GPT is just backup. We can try Google.

A) the odds of someone official telling them it's because of illegal immigration are slim to none.
B) that's not how Medicaid works

He's trying to use our sympathy and his son to lie on people in a thread where he wants support for deporting them. He deserves to be called out.

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Don’t like ChatGPT? Well, fine!!!

How about Google AI?!?!!

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85SugarVol said:
And lolz at the idea that Huff is demanding the “rejection letter” where they tell them explicitly that which he is demanding.

Ritz likely spoke to a human being, offline.
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1. Yes, the letter denying my son's continued coverage came via mail.
2. Yes, I spoke to a human being, on the phone.
3. Yes, continued coverage for illegal immigration came up in our phone call. (Mainly because I had specific knowledge - I was a state employee at the time. In that role, I had access to certain info about Medicaid eligibility, and I *might* have gotten a more fulsome disclosure than the normal caller to the general help desk line.)
4. Doesn't really matter what Huff hallucinates, my point remains: social safety net programs for illegal immigrants impact the resources available for American citizens. The policy question is how much that should be allowed to happen.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Hey Huff, rather than the petty back and forth, how about we have a meaningful discussion about the substantive policy issue here:

Does providing social safety net services to illegal immigrants consume resources that otherwise could be used for American citizens? If yes, are those expenditures appropriate, or to what extent should American social safety net dollars be allocated to American citizens?
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What evidence do you have that they do? The Federal government does not spend within its means. We just go into debt. So if your child qualifies for Medicaid and the children of an illegal qualifies for Medicaid, they both get it. We just tack it onto the national debt, which is carried by both children and their posterity. Seems pretty fair.

BTW, we are talking about legal children. Maybe they are the children of illegal immigrants, but they are legal and have the same status as your kids. The way the system works is Illegals only get Medicaid help in emergencies, but there are often other methods to take care of those emergencies. Generally speaking, the $ is going to American children who will grow up to be productive Americans, so who cares? I'm not a proponent of Medicaid, but I'm also not going to deny it to Americans because I don't like how they became American.

And if we just want to look at it as a matter of right and wrong, not legality, they matter to God just as much as your kids. You might think your kids are entitled to help because you are from here and their parents are not. That's not how right and wrong work.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What evidence do you have that they do? The Federal government does not spend within its means. We just go into debt. So if your child qualifies for Medicaid and the children of an illegal qualifies for Medicaid, they both get it. We just tack it onto the national debt, which is carried by both children and their posterity. Seems pretty fair.

BTW, we are talking about legal children. Maybe they are the children of illegal immigrants, but they are legal and have the same status as your kids. The way the system works is Illegals only get Medicaid help in emergencies, but there are often other methods to take care of those emergencies. Generally speaking, the $ is going to American children who will grow up to be productive Americans, so who cares? I'm not a proponent of Medicaid, but I'm also not going to deny it to Americans because I don't like how they became American.

And if we just want to look at it as a matter of right and wrong, not legality, they matter to God just as much as your kids. You might think your kids are entitled to help because you are from here and their parents are not. That's not how right and wrong work.
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not all children of illegals are going to be US citizens. you are assuming every single one of them was born here, and not that their parents crossed with them after birth. just based on law of averages I would say there are more that cross than are born here when considering illegal parents.

a quick google turns up that 43% of crossings involve at least one born child. I very much doubt that 43%, or more, include pregnant mothers, but I haven't found the data for that.
 
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LouderVol said:
not all children of illegals are going to be US citizens. you are assuming every single one of them was born here, and not that their parents crossed with them after birth. just based on law of averages I would say there are more that cross than are born here when considering illegal parents.

a quick google turns up that 43% of crossings involve at least one born child. I very much doubt that 43%, or more, include pregnant mothers, but I haven't found the data for that.
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I didn't assume that. I was talking about kids that get Medicaid insurance. If they are not legal, the way the system is supposed to work is they only get Medicaid in emergency situations, if even then.
 
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#136
n_huffhines said:
I didn't assume that. I was talking about kids that get Medicaid insurance. If they are not legal, the way the system is supposed to work is they only get Medicaid in emergency situations, if even then.
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my impression has been the Biden admin has been turning over every rock they can to find money to support the immigrants, and they aren't making a distinction on legality of arrival. in fact some seem to enjoy flaunting the support of the illegal immigrants. I have very little reason to trust the government operating as it should, even less so than my normal trust in the government.
 
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#137
Ritzwatch said:
1. Yes, the letter denying my son's continued coverage came via mail.
2. Yes, I spoke to a human being, on the phone.
3. Yes, continued coverage for illegal immigration came up in our phone call. (Mainly because I had specific knowledge - I was a state employee at the time. In that role, I had access to certain info about Medicaid eligibility, and I *might* have gotten a more fulsome disclosure than the normal caller to the general help desk line.)
4. Doesn't really matter what Huff hallucinates, my point remains: social safety net programs for illegal immigrants impact the resources available for American citizens. The policy question is how much that should be allowed to happen.
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0% of the time. This is not hard.

Spend to get them out, then devote the resources to American Veterans, the drug problem, and crime within our borders.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What evidence do you have that they do? The Federal government does not spend within its means. We just go into debt. So if your child qualifies for Medicaid and the children of an illegal qualifies for Medicaid, they both get it. We just tack it onto the national debt, which is carried by both children and their posterity. Seems pretty fair.
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Huff, if you really do not think illegal immigrants in this country have used resources that were then unavailable for a US citizen, you are being obtuse. Easy example: Texas shipped a bunch of illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard. That took bus seats from homeless Americans. (Biden's Admin has admitted to doing the same with plane flights.)
Same with hotels being used for housing illegals while there are American citizens sleeping in the streets. It happens. If a dollar is spent on someone here illegally, that is one less dollar to spend on someone who is here legally. We can print more dollars and "tack it" to debt all we want, but that doesn't make that dollar spent on a US citizen. Go chatGPT/google "there is no such thing as a free lunch" and apply your common sense.

As for my kid, I couldn't find the letter from DMA (Division of Medical Assistance - NC's Single State Agency that managed the Medicaid System), but I did find my later state health plan enrollment form that HR helped me with to get my child on my insurance when he wasn't eligible for enrollment. The reason for enrollment (again, with HR help), "[the child] is being discontinued from Medicaid due to new state regulations.

n_huffhines said:
BTW, we are talking about legal children. Maybe they are the children of illegal immigrants, but they are legal and have the same status as your kids. The way the system works is Illegals only get Medicaid help in emergencies, but there are often other methods to take care of those emergencies. Generally speaking, the $ is going to American children who will grow up to be productive Americans, so who cares? I'm not a proponent of Medicaid, but I'm also not going to deny it to Americans because I don't like how they became American.
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Un, No. We are not. In fact, reference my original post regarding my family's experience and you will see that we were discussing resources being allocated to illegal immigrants, not legal (US born) citizens.

As for the "children, if you read my post you will see I in favor of public support for children, illegal's children or US citizen.

Ritzwatch said:
I say, yes, American social service tax dollars are being spent on people who are here illegally.

I am also fine with support for illegal children, the disabled, or for people admitted for legit, proven asylum claims. I am also fine with emergency medical services to able-bodied illegals as long as they are then deported.
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n_huffhines said:
And if we just want to look at it as a matter of right and wrong, not legality, they matter to God just as much as your kids. You might think your kids are entitled to help because you are from here and their parents are not. That's not how right and wrong work.
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Finally, thanks for your lesson on right and wrong. I totally agree that these children matter to God. This isn't about morality, entitlement, or church, it is about the Government's role in providing for illegal immigrants vis-a-vis their own citizens.

And, careful about your assumptions about my family. You don't know what you are talking about.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Huff, if you really do not think illegal immigrants in this country have used resources that were then unavailable for a US citizen, you are being obtuse. Easy example: Texas shipped a bunch of illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard. That took bus seats from homeless Americans. (Biden's Admin has admitted to doing the same with plane flights.)
Same with hotels being used for housing illegals while there are American citizens sleeping in the streets. It happens. If a dollar is spent on someone here illegally, that is one less dollar to spend on someone who is here legally. We can print more dollars and "tack it" to debt all we want, but that doesn't make that dollar spent on a US citizen. Go chatGPT/google "there is no such thing as a free lunch" and apply your common sense.

As for my kid, I couldn't find the letter from DMA (Division of Medical Assistance - NC's Single State Agency that managed the Medicaid System), but I did find my later state health plan enrollment form that HR helped me with to get my child on my insurance when he wasn't eligible for enrollment. The reason for enrollment (again, with HR help), "[the child] is being discontinued from Medicaid due to new state regulations.



Un, No. We are not. In fact, reference my original post regarding my family's experience and you will see that we were discussing resources being allocated to illegal immigrants, not legal (US born) citizens.
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If it happened to you, then we should definitely be able to find other people who it happened to. I promise you a handful of people ITT looked after I said what I said, and nobody came up with ****, because Medicaid does not get denied to people who qualify, whether or not the children of illegal immigrants are getting it.

I am Googling and finding no evidence that anything like this happened. Everything I find is about people not completing the documents and software glitches. Nothing at all about $ running out.

Do illegal immigrants burden the government? Yes. Because they are people that exist here. Living among people comes at some cost. It also brings benefit. I can't believe your first example is the Texas bussing thing, LMFAO.
 
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#142
n_huffhines said:
What are you basing this on?

Japan's number of births fell for the 8th year in a row. 1 in 7 houses are now empty. That's 9 million uninhabited houses total. What does "doing OK" mean to you?
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As I have said before, to me it means individuals on average having enough money in their pockets to live comfortably and happily and not struggle with day to day necessities. I know plenty of Japanese people BTW because of many years spent at companies like Denso and Aisin. Good folks, funnier and more entertaining to us westerners then they realize.
 
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#143
n_huffhines said:
If it happened to you, then we should definitely be able to find other people who it happened to. I promise you a handful of people ITT looked after I said what I said, and nobody came up with ****, because Medicaid does not get denied to people who qualify, whether or not the children of illegal immigrants are getting it.

I am Googling and finding no evidence that anything like this happened. Everything I find is about people not completing the documents and software glitches. Nothing at all about $ running out.

Do illegal immigrants burden the government? Yes. Because they are people that exist here. Living among people comes at some cost. It also brings benefit. I can't believe your first example is the Texas bussing thing, LMFAO.
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I know what you are talking about here, but the most recent influx of millions across our border brough more free loaders then you can shake a stick at. Those people are garbage, and a burden.
 
#145
#145
n_huffhines said:
What evidence do you have that they do? The Federal government does not spend within its means. We just go into debt. So if your child qualifies for Medicaid and the children of an illegal qualifies for Medicaid, they both get it. We just tack it onto the national debt, which is carried by both children and their posterity. Seems pretty fair.

BTW, we are talking about legal children. Maybe they are the children of illegal immigrants, but they are legal and have the same status as your kids. The way the system works is Illegals only get Medicaid help in emergencies, but there are often other methods to take care of those emergencies. Generally speaking, the $ is going to American children who will grow up to be productive Americans, so who cares? I'm not a proponent of Medicaid, but I'm also not going to deny it to Americans because I don't like how they became American.

And if we just want to look at it as a matter of right and wrong, not legality, they matter to God just as much as your kids. You might think your kids are entitled to help because you are from here and their parents are not. That's not how right and wrong work.
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I think my sister's $750 check from FEMA for citizens in Asheville, while the head thereof said that FEMA was out of money is pretty strong evidence. That money went SOMEWHERE.
 
#146
#146

Donald Trump’s Deputies Want More Detention to Block, Repatriate Migrants​


President Donald Trump’s deputies say they will dramatically expand the detention space needed for the bureaucratic process of flying illegal migrants back to their foreign homes, according to NBC News.

“The goal is to double the number of Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention beds — 41,000 are now allocated by Congress — to hold … migrants for short periods while they await deportation after their arrests inside the U.S.,” sources told NBC News.

The extra detention beds can be rented from state jails, from private sector companies, or be quickly built by the U.S. military. “That’s something they know how to do,” Mark Krikorian, director of the Center for Immigration Studies, told Breitbart News. “They’re really good at it, they can do it quickly, and they have the money for it,” he added.

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Trump's Deputies Eye More Detention Space to Block, Repatriate Migrants

Donald Trump's deputies say they will expand the detention space needed to repatriate illegal migrants, says NBC News.
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#147
#147
SpaceCoastVol said:
That and 100% tariff on all imported goods from Mexico should have this invasion mess cleaned up before Valentine's day
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A 100% tariff on goods from Mexico would make the situation worse. People with good jobs in Mexico have less reason to come here. We need to put those tariffs on China to move the jobs to Mexico and the US.
 
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#149
n_huffhines said:
If it happened to you, then we should definitely be able to find other people who it happened to. I promise you a handful of people ITT looked after I said what I said, and nobody came up with ****, because Medicaid does not get denied to people who qualify, whether or not the children of illegal immigrants are getting it.

I am Googling and finding no evidence that anything like this happened. Everything I find is about people not completing the documents and software glitches. Nothing at all about $ running out.

Do illegal immigrants burden the government? Yes. Because they are people that exist here. Living among people comes at some cost. It also brings benefit. I can't believe your first example is the Texas bussing thing, LMFAO.
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The vast majority of illegals that come here are poor. I don't know if you have checked the prices for housing and food lately, but it ain't cheap. We don't need more poor people here, and it's not the responsibility of the people of the U.S. to take care of all the children of the world either. Not our problem.
 
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USF grad in TN said:
A 100% tariff on goods from Mexico would make the situation worse. People with good jobs in Mexico have less reason to come here. We need to put those tariffs on China to move the jobs to Mexico and the US.
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I don't disagree, but the message we need to send to the socialist president of Mexico is that either she stops them before they get to our border, or she will be paying for the problems caused.
 
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