VNs Big Thread of Deportation

#76
#76
norrislakevol said:
Hey, if they don't collect any government benefits at all, including benefits for their children if they have them, then yes, they are a benefit. We do need some migrant workers, everyone knows this. However, if they are raking in benefits, then that makes them a burden and we don't need them.
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There are some takers, for sure. But they grow up to be good workers. We don't want to head toward demographic winter.

Americans aren't having enough babies and immigration is the best solution.
 
#79
#79
n_huffhines said:
There are some takers, for sure. But they grow up to be good workers. We don't want to head toward demographic winter.

Americans aren't having enough babies and immigration is the best solution.
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I've seen this argument before, but so long as we aren't fools like China (one child act) we will be fine. Japan went through this, and they seem to be doing ok. Everyone across the world will not always poop out a bunch of kids to "grow" the economy. The main economic question is: do you have enough money to live a decent life, throughout your entire life. That's about it. The whole "is the economy growing" is less of a concern.
 
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#81
#81
utvolpj said:
Yes they change the discussion since they're children and citizens. These seem to be some of the least worrisome if we're ranking who should be targeted first
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Obviously-

85SugarVol said:
Agree that it should be way down the priority list, assuming the alien parents are lawful contributors (illegal entry notwithstanding).

But from a purely philosophical standpoint - should illegal alien parents of American citizens be exempt from action?
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I guess it’s fine to say they “change the discussion”.

But the question remains - do they change the law?

Are you saying you believe illegal aliens that are the parents of US Citizens should in fact be granted an exemption?
 
#85
#85
n_huffhines said:
There are some takers, for sure. But they grow up to be good workers. We don't want to head toward demographic winter.

Americans aren't having enough babies and immigration is the best solution.
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Yes, immigration is the best solution.
The problem is that there are people who want to come here legally and we won't let them. We treat them terribly for trying to obey our laws.
People who break through the wall or fence and trample on the property of our citizens are rewarded with sanctuary cities and piles of money.
Our immigration policy is blocking out the people we want and pulling in the people we don't want.
 
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#86
#86
Here is the Left's playbook on this:

Howl and raise hell about any and everything that seems "unfair" and demand accommodations to blunt the deportation effort.

And if successful at suppressing it? Will excoriate Trump, his administration and Republicans for not doing what they promised and point to Barry's deportation numbers as proof that Democrats "get things done."

The Grand Game will continue. The only way out is to ruthlessly deport and fix immigration law on the back end, or work out legal means for desired deportees to reenter quickly.
 
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#87
#87
volinbham said:
Alright VN - let's talk deportation.

Should we even deport people who are here illegally? (YES)

Should we deport people who failed their asylum claim? (YES)

Should we deport someone awaiting asylum claims that has committed a felony while here? (YES)

Should we deport someone who didn't show up for their asylum evaluation? (YES)

Should we deport someone who was let it but had a violent criminal history coming in? (YES)

Should we deport someone we let in on an asylum claim that has yet to be adjudicated? (NO)

Should we deport someone that has overstayed their VISA? (YES)

What are the other categories?
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I have an anecdotal story on the “overstaying the VISA” one. I know a lady who came in legally and earned a PhD. Due to red tape bureaucracy crap, the institution she was working for didn’t renew in time. Other companies were reluctant to hire her because it would cost them more to pay for the work visa. She now cleans houses to stay in the country but technically she’s illegal. Without question she is a net positive for our country (very bright, involved in church, and is the most overqualified maid of all time who works extremely hard nonetheless). I just have to believe we should work to keep people like her.
 
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wtmvol said:
I have an anecdotal story on the “overstaying the VISA” one. I know a lady who came in legally and earned a PhD. Due to red tape bureaucracy crap, the institution she was working for didn’t renew in time. Other companies were reluctant to hire her because it would cost them more to pay for the work visa. She now cleans houses to stay in the country but technically she’s illegal. Without question she is a net positive for our country (very bright, involved in church, and is the most overqualified maid of all time who works extremely hard nonetheless). I just have to believe we should work to keep people like her.
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We treat the good ones terribly because we're so incompetent.
 
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#90
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wtmvol said:
I have an anecdotal story on the “overstaying the VISA” one. I know a lady who came in legally and earned a PhD. Due to red tape bureaucracy crap, the institution she was working for didn’t renew in time. Other companies were reluctant to hire her because it would cost them more to pay for the work visa. She now cleans houses to stay in the country but technically she’s illegal. Without question she is a net positive for our country (very bright, involved in church, and is the most overqualified maid of all time who works extremely hard nonetheless). I just have to believe we should work to keep people like her.
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Definitely sympathize with this situation.

Here are some questions:

1) what is keeping her from obtaining a legal status now?
2) Does the law require her to exit and re-apply?
3) if so, why hasn't she done that?
 
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#91
GroverCleveland said:
Definitely sympathize with this situation.

Here are some questions:

1) what is keeping her from obtaining a legal status now?
2) Does the law require her to exit and re-apply?
3) if so, why hasn't she done that?
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I'm not exactly sure, but I'd guess she doesn't trust the system and doing it the right way has let her down. She has a child who is most likely on the spectrum, so until he is 18 she is probably of the mindset of laying low.
 
#93
#93
utvolpj said:
Yes they change the discussion since they're children and citizens. These seem to be some of the least worrisome if we're ranking who should be targeted first
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I don't see why it does.

Americans parents with an American child. If mom and dad break the law, the child suffers-foster care or other separation from parents. why would it be better off to be Non-American parents with an American child for mom and dad to break the law?

this is the problem with a two class system of citizenry.
 
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#95
#95
There are very real costs to our natural born citizenry from illegal immigration.

When my oldest son was born, he was on Medicaid. When he was 10 months old, I got a call from Medicaid telling me they were removing my son because state funds were depleted due to an influx of illegal immigrants who qualified for the program.

My son was ineligible for my health insurance, and would not become eligible for another 4 months.

So, for 4 months, we were forced to self-insure, and pray for good health.

For very personal reasons, I think resource allocation is an important part of this discussion.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I've seen this argument before, but so long as we aren't fools like China (one child act) we will be fine. Japan went through this, and they seem to be doing ok. Everyone across the world will not always poop out a bunch of kids to "grow" the economy. The main economic question is: do you have enough money to live a decent life, throughout your entire life. That's about it. The whole "is the economy growing" is less of a concern.
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What are you basing this on?

Japan's number of births fell for the 8th year in a row. 1 in 7 houses are now empty. That's 9 million uninhabited houses total. What does "doing OK" mean to you?
 
#97
#97
Ritzwatch said:
There are very real costs to our natural born citizenry from illegal immigration.

When my oldest son was born, he was on Medicaid. When he was 10 months old, I got a call from Medicaid telling me they were removing my son because state funds were depleted due to an influx of illegal immigrants who qualified for the program.

My son was ineligible for my health insurance, and would not become eligible for another 4 months.

So, for 4 months, we were forced to self-insure, and pray for good health.

For very personal reasons, I think resource allocation is an important part of this discussion.
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There is no way they fkn told you that.
 
#99
#99
I think that, as long as we are going to go to the effort of setting up a deportation program , that we might as well go ahead and include all of the celebrities that promised to leave the country if Trump were elected but have so far refused to do so.
 
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