VNs Big Thread of Deportation

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#105
n_huffhines said:
What are you basing this on?

Japan's number of births fell for the 8th year in a row. 1 in 7 houses are now empty. That's 9 million uninhabited houses total. What does "doing OK" mean to you?
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Do you understand much of anything about Japan? Have you ever been? Are you just spouting statistics you read online during a bender?

Is an uninhabited house in a country that essentially builds houses to be leveled after a half century a sign of a failing country? I'm fairly sure they perform better in individual wealth than the EU and are still among the wealthiest countries in the world and have been for a while- that isn't changing.

Using empty houses in rural areas as a sign of economic decay and suffering is another legendarily idiotic take. And the entire premise of population growth as an economic statistic should be re-evaluated especially in a world of increasing automation and leaner production.
 
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wtmvol said:
I'm not exactly sure, but I'd guess she doesn't trust the system and doing it the right way has let her down. She has a child who is most likely on the spectrum, so until he is 18 she is probably of the mindset of laying low.
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Fair enough. Would be interesting to know the actual specifics of her case. Probably not enough money to engage a lawyer. As many people seem know about it, one would think someone has enough of a connection to their congressman to ask for help.
 
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#110
n_huffhines said:
That's not the point. You get that the point is about tradeoffs and constraints, right?
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I do not agree with that premise. If here illegally, get deported.

And I say this as someone who has probably employed illegals. Couldn't prove it as they all had papers, but kind of IYKYK thing. But I feel that circumstances have changed over the last few years and it will take hard measures to straighten out what has become a mess.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Your convenient story doesn't make sense. Let's see your denial letter.

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Welp, sorry buddy

Magic 8 ball said so when I asked "Is huff really that dumb"

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McDad said:
I appreciate tech is your day to day life. But I wouldn't trust ChatGPT on something like this.

Ritz doesn't strike me as a liar or someone who embellishes.
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I used my common sense, not Chat GPT. Chat GPT is just backup. We can try Google.

A) the odds of someone official telling them it's because of illegal immigration are slim to none.
B) that's not how Medicaid works

He's trying to use our sympathy and his son to lie on people in a thread where he wants support for deporting them. He deserves to be called out.

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#116
GroverCleveland said:
I do not agree with that premise. If here illegally, get deported.

And I say this as someone who has probably employed illegals. Couldn't prove it as they all had papers, but kind of IYKYK thing. But I feel that circumstances have changed over the last few years and it will take hard measures to straighten out what has become a mess.
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You get the point. That's why you're repeatedly deflecting.
 
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#117
Got to be tickled Huff has found the Fountain of Eternal Funding. Never can run out of money according to ChatGPT and Google AI. We have been saved!
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Got to be tickled Huff has found the Fountain of Eternal Funding. Never can run out of money according to ChatGPT and Google AI. We have been saved!
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It doesn't say that it can never run out of $. SS, Medicare, etc. can all run out of $. That's why we need more immigrants...but they haven't run out of $ yet. That would be a pretty big story and you wouldn't have missed it.
 
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#122
GroverCleveland said:
Deflecting what? Not sure how much clearer I can be about it. Do you need ChatGPT or Google AI quotes?
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Your original reply to me was something smartass about how we can't just pick and choose what laws to enforce. My response was that yes, this is actually how the world works, and you're trying to talk about anything else other than acknowledging, "Oh yeah, we do actually have to make tradeoffs because we live in a world of constraints."
 
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#123
n_huffhines said:
Your original reply to me was something smartass about how we can't just pick and choose what laws to enforce. My response was that yes, this is actually how the world works, and you're trying to talk about anything else other than acknowledging, "Oh yeah, we do actually have to make tradeoffs because we live in a world of constraints."
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Ah, I see the disconnect. Yes, there are times when laws are/are not enforced for good and bad reasons without going into those scenarios. However, I do not agree we are in one of those times. As stated in other posts of mine on this thread, I believe we are in a situation, regardless of who is to blame, tough measures are going to be required to correct the situation.

If I recall correctly, our tit-for-tat began with not wanting local police to enforce immigration laws. First I do not accept the premise that local police are majorly involved with enforcing immigration law to begin with. Holding illegal immigrants and notifying Immigration does not seem to be a significant burden, although I would allow that can should be for a short and reasonable amount of time. INS should be provided with any information gleaned from the detained individuals if they are released. If there are jurisdictions that hinder enforcement of those laws, then they should be held criminally liable.

With no apologies, it is my belief that we have to gain control of our borders with almost any means possible.
 
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#124
volinbham said:
Alright VN - let's talk deportation.

Should we even deport people who are here illegally? (YES)

Should we deport people who failed their asylum claim? (YES)

Should we deport someone awaiting asylum claims that has committed a felony while here? (YES)

Should we deport someone who didn't show up for their asylum evaluation? (YES)

Should we deport someone who was let it but had a violent criminal history coming in? (YES)

Should we deport someone we let in on an asylum claim that has yet to be adjudicated? (NO)

Should we deport someone that has overstayed their VISA? (YES)

What are the other categories?
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In context, I think you focus on the mass migration that happened after Biden declared the border open. And in that context, I think you focus on the criminally documentable influx of illegals. Surveilance on these alleged aprtment buildings they have took over and so forth to locate and target the criminal element that needs to go. After that, I think you have to do a boat load of vetting to determine when they came, what have they been doing, have they similated with productive jobs and been civil contributors, family considerations, etc., etc. Is a deport in place type plan viable for said productive illegals where they can be vetted, tracked, and given a timeline to gain lawful status, etc.
 
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