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PG1 said:
What Phillip doesn’t understand is that Pruitt is still basically Coaching for Alabama.
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Really hope you or any other Vol fan does not believe that. I've seen fans post that Pruitt is intentionally sabotaging us. That just isn't true. We've done that enough to ourse4, don't need a rival to do it. Guarantee Saban isn't worried about losing to us enough to even try to come up with that type of scheme. I really hope some of our fans aren't that damn stupid to actually believe that. We are one of the last schools he is worried about.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
He's not a GA and actually has had job offers. But is trying to stick it to TN as much as possible. I guarantee after he gets his last check from TN, he moves on for a higher paying job. Another reason I absolutely hate that dude.
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How do you know he has had job offers? Not saying that he hasn’t but how do you know? I just don’t see him purposefully staying in a scrub position for 3-4 years just to shaft Tennessee.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Really hope you or any other Vol fan does not believe that. I've seen fans post that Pruitt is intentionally sabotaging us. That just isn't true. We've done that enough to ourse4, don't need a rival to do it. Guarantee Saban isn't worried about losing to us enough to even try to come up with that type of scheme. I really hope some of our fans aren't that damn stupid to actually believe that. We are one of the last schools he is worried about.
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I don't believe in some nefarious conspiracy spearheaded by Alabama to crater our program. That's dumb. I do however believe that Pruitt is a mercenary like many coaches, with no connection or particular affinity for the school he is coaching. Whether that plays any part in his losing record I don't know. But I do believe that outside of how it makes him look professionally he doesn't feel the same sting we do when we lose by double digits to Kentucky at home. This job is a paycheck to him, until it's not. I don't fault him for that at all. It was a business decision. But this is not a guy giving his all for Tennessee. How could he? He was raised a Gump, dreamed of becoming a Gump and did so. Then was a very successful Gump coach.

You don't have to be a Vol fan or alum to be successful coaching here. But it helps not to have grown up hating Orange.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
I don't believe in some nefarious conspiracy spearheaded by Alabama to crater our program. That's dumb. I do however believe that Pruitt is a mercenary like many coaches, with no connection or particular affinity for the school he is coaching. Whether that plays any part in his losing record I don't know. But I do believe that outside of how it makes him look professionally he doesn't feel the same sting we do when we lose by double digits to Kentucky at home. This job is a paycheck to him, until it's not. I don't fault him for that at all. It was a business decision. But this is not a guy giving his all for Tennessee. How could he? He was raised a Gump, dreamed of becoming a Gump and did so. Then was a very successful Gump coach.

You don't have to be a Vol fan or alum to be successful coaching here. But it helps not to have grown up hating Orange.
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I can see some of that. But that happens at a lot of places.
Ive often wondered how former players take coaching positions at schools that were or are now rivals of the school they played for and deal with that aspect. But past that 1 game, Im not sure I buy the idea that a guy with ties to Bama is letting his want to against UK (or any other SEC school) be bothered by the fact he's coaching at UT. It really boils down to 1 thing, are you a professional? If thats a legit concern it would have to make you want to try an eliminate even the possibility by sticking to orange roots when hiring.

I dont think Pruitt's problem is not caring as much because he's coaching at a rival school from what he grew up knowing. Im more inclined to question his ability over his integrity at this point.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I can see some of that. But that happens at a lot of places.
Ive often wondered how former players take coaching positions at schools that were or are now rivals of the school they played for and deal with that aspect. But past that 1 game, Im not sure I buy the idea that a guy with ties to Bama is letting his want to against UK (or any other SEC school) be bothered by the fact he's coaching at UT. It really boils down to 1 thing, are you a professional? If thats a legit concern it would have to make you want to try an eliminate even the possibility by sticking to orange roots when hiring.

I dont think Pruitt's problem is not caring as much because he's coaching at a rival school from what he grew up knowing. Im more inclined to question his ability over his integrity at this point.
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Agree with all of that, maybe I stopped short on what I was saying. My only point is, it can't mean as much to him because of his background, which may make him less apt to be introspective about his ability and performance.

I think a guy without his background with our leading rival...just another coach from anywhere, might be more apt to be concerned and proactive. I don't think Pruitt is intentionally cratering...I just think he may not see this as where he wants to be forever, so what's it matter? I know that is probably discounting his professionalism, and even integrity, which is not at all what I am trying to do. I just don't think he sees the urgency...I never get that sense from him. If another record/ streak (home streak against KY, 5 losses in a row and counting etc.) falls for us historically, I think to him it's just a number if he's aware of it at all. To us it's another significant benchmark lost. It broke my heart when we lost our streaks to KY and Vandy, when we left OSU to be the only team not to have lost 8 games, and when we fell down the list for Bowl Wins. That stuff matters...to us. I'm not sure it ever crosses his mind, because he's not us. He's them, and always has been.

I could be dead-wrong. But no matter what, I don't believe he's here to intentionally fail as part of some grand conspiracy.
 
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While I don’t know Pruitt personally, I do know current coaches and idea that Pruitt is still a Bama fan or has underlying hatred for UT is laughable. Coaches leave their fan card at the door the moment they step into the role because they are adults and professionals. Each team is a competing company and he is not rooting for Saban whom he recruits against every day. Get real people, this is his career that he supports his family with
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
While I don’t know Pruitt personally, I do know current coaches and idea that Pruitt is still a Bama fan or has underlying hatred for UT is laughable. Coaches leave their fan card at the door the moment they step into the role because they are adults and professionals. Each team is a competing company and he is not rooting for Saban whom he recruits against every day. Get real people, this is his career that he supports his family with
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I for one never said he "hated" Tennessee. I also disagree that they all leave their fan-card at the door. Mercenaries do things they might not otherwise do for $$. That is why he is here, and it's as legitimate of a reason as any. I'm not faulting that. My point was, that because of his lifelong association with Alabama it may be harder for him (than some others) to view the importance of some things the same. He wants to do well to keep getting paid, or to find his way to the next place. And if he doesn't, meh...he still gets paid royally.

As much as I disliked Butch Jones, I believed that he had an affinity for Tennessee. He knew what a special opportunity it was. He wasn't up for the job, but he had a real passion for being here. I don't see any of that with CJP. I don't know him either, so I could be way off base. It's just the way I read it. He's happy to be here for now...and the history seemingly means very little to him.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
I for one never said he "hated" Tennessee. I also disagree that they all leave their fan-card at the door. Mercenaries do things they might not otherwise do for $$. That is why he is here, and it's as legitimate of a reason as any. I'm not faulting that. My point was, that because of his lifelong association with Alabama it may be harder for him (than some others) to view the importance of some things the same. He wants to do well to keep getting paid, or to find his way to the next place. And if he doesn't, meh...he still gets paid royally.

As much as I disliked Butch Jones, I believed that he had an affinity for Tennessee. He knew what a special opportunity it was. He wasn't up for the job, but he had a real passion for being here. I don't see any of that with CJP. I don't know him either, so I could be way off base. It's just the way I read it. He's happy to be here for now...and the history seemingly means very little to him.
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You mentioned that he grew up hating orange which was what I was referring to. He might not have the inherent love for UT compared with someone like CPF, but the CEO for AT&T doesn’t have to grow up die-hard loving AT&T to be effective at making the right decisions and beating their competition. It is his job. You don’t have to be a “fanatic” of your company to be successful at your profession
 
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SayNoToJorts said:
You mentioned that he grew up hating orange which was what I was referring to. He might not have the inherent love for UT compared with someone like CPF, but the CEO for AT&T doesn’t have to grow up die-hard loving AT&T to be effective at making the right decisions and beating their competition. It is his job. You don’t have to be a “fanatic” of your company to be successful at your profession
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I agree, and have stated as much. "Hating" orange may have been a little strong.

I don't believe you have to be a fan of UT to be successful here. We see that situation work out all over the country. But in my opinion it helps to not have grown up a fan, player, and coach for your hated rival. That is the difference. There are examples of that working...but it would make it hard to keep the historical stuff that I mentioned in perspective. Maybe what I'm saying is that it doesn't mean as much. Seemingly insignificant record-book factoids like streaks and records, stuff programs base their legacy on, are not part of his history, and don't seem to be part of one he is building.

A professional that valued where he is would have his finger on the pulse of the fanbase. I don't see that. If he was winning none of this would matter. It becomes more visible in the light of loss after loss. I'm not trying to be rude, but professional is not a word I have yet associated with Pruitt. Maybe it'll come...but from preparation, to recruiting, to development, to in-game decisions, to dealing with the fans, but I don't see it yet.

We are not likely to agree, and that's ok. I just wanted to be clear...I see disengagement and apathy, not conspiracy.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Agree with all of that, maybe I stopped short on what I was saying. My only point is, it can't mean as much to him because of his background, which may make him less apt to be introspective about his ability and performance.

I think a guy without his background with our leading rival...just another coach from anywhere, might be more apt to be concerned and proactive. I don't think Pruitt is intentionally cratering...I just think he may not see this as where he wants to be forever, so what's it matter? I know that is probably discounting his professionalism, and even integrity, which is not at all what I am trying to do. I just don't think he sees the urgency...I never get that sense from him. If another record/ streak (home streak against KY, 5 losses in a row and counting etc.) falls for us historically, I think to him it's just a number if he's aware of it at all. To us it's another significant benchmark lost. It broke my heart when we lost our streaks to KY and Vandy, when we left OSU to be the only team not to have lost 8 games, and when we fell down the list for Bowl Wins. That stuff matters...to us. I'm not sure it ever crosses his mind, because he's not us. He's them, and always has been.

I could be dead-wrong. But no matter what, I don't believe he's here to intentionally fail as part of some grand conspiracy.
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I fully understand that idea, publically thats hard to argue. You dont see or hear the urgency. I dont know if that is carrying over into the locker room but it is in the public.

My only explanation (may be a poor one) revolves around 2 ideas.
1. His mentor (Saban) is a "process" preacher. Dont look at the scoreboard, play the next play, dont talk about the playoffs until you re there....Type. The end result is winning but it doesnt come with the emotional attachment it does with a fan. The comparison is not fair but that's the majority of Pruitt's knowledge in running a program. Obviously Saban's process worked pretty quick at Bama (which he had no emotional attachment to before land there) and has been consistent for a long time. Pruitt to this point has never gained the initial traction outside a handful of games last year.
2. His new boss (right or wrong) has instilled in him from the day he hired him he would get ever opportunity to instill his process. Ups and Downs included. Because he was going to have them. Could be that Fulmer's emotions in how he was let go played in. Honestly, I would expect a first time coach to have a lot bigger learning curve that Saban when he went to Bama at that point in his career. And thats not to say that Pruitt will figure it out here or anywhere else in the future. He may get fired here and never be a HC again.

Why thats a problem for the fanbase.

Its been a long time and we re tired of waiting. Pruitt and whoever the next guy is dealing with that on a different level than even Dooley and Jones dealt with it.
It reminds me on a different level from when Fulmer hired Clawson. Patience was already wearing thin.
 
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#188
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SayNoToJorts said:
If Phillip were trying to answer fan questions live on air it would be bad form to call him a loser and put him on the spot like he did CJP. This is actually the correct forum for that IMO
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Members of the radio statipn on air have called fan losers and callers losers as well...but that is ok????? Bottom line. When CJP said he didnt answer to the fans, he opened the door for criticism in its harahest form....when a person responds and carries himself with the arrogance that CJP does with earning that arrogance as a HC....it pisses off a fan base that has for years supported a pathetically run program
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Members of the radio statipn on air have called fan losers and callers losers as well...but that is ok????? Bottom line. When CJP said he didnt answer to the fans, he opened the door for criticism in its harahest form....when a person responds and carries himself with the arrogance that CJP does with earning that arrogance as a HC....it pisses off a fan base that has for years supported a pathetically run program
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Never said that was ok
 
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tennrich1 said:
I agree...that call didn't smack the moron....it revealed the moron (AND ITS PHILLIP)....Just 20 seconds of thought would lead a normal man to realize how utterly stupid and moronic doing something like that is...And...IMO...Jeremy responded the way a normal, balanced, classy man would respond! Good job Jeremy!!!! Sorry....but this entire year has been loaded with idiots! :):)
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Yep he had a sober and classy comeback. Old Philip needs to be ready though because old CP may just get drunk and show up at his house wanting to fight. 😂😜
 
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whodeycin85 said:
But i haven't seen you or anyone else quick to criticize the station....for allowing that but phillip is catching hell....seems like a double standard to me
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Let me be the first: If a host disrespects a fan or anyone on live air, especially mid-conversation expecting a response, that is a classless move. Taking sports to a level where you are personally attacking and trying to embarrass someone In front of a crowd of listeners is a horrible look
 
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for answering that Vol call with kindness. Reminded me of this line: “When he was reviled, he did not revile in return.” He turned the other cheek, which takes a lot more courage than lashing out like Philip did. I wish I could apologize to Pruitt and tell him that Tennesseans are bigger than that.
 
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#195
He deserves kudos for that. He genuinely wants to build this program up and he's frustrated.

Whatever anyone wants to say about him, he's not Butch Jones or even Derek Dooley. He does not view this as a "paycheck" and he's not going to give up.

Whether he succeeds or fails, I respect the hell out of him. Even if he gets fired here, I think he'll get another HC job somewhere,
 
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I don't respect Pruitt. I don't know him enough to respect him.

He did a good job with that caller. The best I can do is say will done in your response JP
 
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As uncomfortable as it was, I'm actually glad Pruitt got to hear that message directly from a fan. Maybe it will shake him up a little bit. I don't think it can hurt at this point.
 
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