Vol uniform/helmet design discussion (merged)

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ansleyr815 said:
I have a MBA... So I would gladly debate you in almost anything... But your pomposity would make any conversation or debate with you a miserable experience. Thanks for the lesson on cultural analysis though. I bet your conversation at the family dinner table is exhausting for everyone.
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Although I am not referring specifically to you, I find poorly articulated arguments for radical change, just for the sake of radical change, equally exhausting. Please feel free to ignore me if you wish; it certainly won’t offend me. If you don’t care for my communication style, that is largely courtesy of my alma mater, the University of Tennessee. I claim no expertise in the x’s and o’s of football or business administration, but when a topic emerges that is squarely within the boundaries of my expertise, I will comment. JDog, I truly could not care less whether you dislike me or not.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
As I stated previously, "look at the history of Tennessee football uniforms, once they emerged from the monochromatic uniformity of black jerseys where school colors were utilized as minor accents (early 1920s) to the present (see University of Tennessee Volunteers Football Uniform and Team History | Heritage Uniforms and Jerseys). Tennessee has historically been the absolute epitome of subtle stylistic change."

If you want to place greater credence upon the period that preceded the roughly 90-year era in which orange and white has consistently been our color scheme, that is your prerogative. I don't choose to do so.
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Pay special attention to the following excerpt from your last argument:

once they emerged from the monochromatic uniformity of black jerseys where school colors were utilized as minor accents (early 1920s) to the present

I went back to see if that was truly the case. Was black used by all schools because school colors and "tradition in sports" may not be recognized and I found that from the time many major universities started a football team to the 1920's only one, The University of TENNESSEE utilized black in its uniform.

So there actually wasn't a period of "uniformity of black jerseys where school colors were utilized as minor accents", and it can be said that black is actually a part of the history of Tennessee uniforms.
 

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Crap. There was supposed to be about seven other pics with that including Alabama, Auburn, Texas, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Oklahoma.
 
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Illvol, I will concede the fact that “uniformity” is an overstatement. Throughout this thread, numerous contributors have commented, however, about a prevailing trend in the formative years of college football for teams to wear black jerseys with their official colors as accents.
 
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I understand that. But now that there is proof that trend never existed with black as a primary color for many universities does it not lend even some credibility to the argument that black has a place, to an extent, in the history of Tennessee uniforms LONG after orange and white was adopted as its colors?
 
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illvol said:
I understand that. But now that there is proof that trend never existed with black as a primary color for many universities does it not lend even some credibility to the argument that black has a place, to an extent, in the history of Tennessee uniforms LONG after orange and white was adopted as its colors?
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Black was an easy color to dye, the same as the greys, whites, navies, and other darker colors worn by a lot of teams pre-1920s.


Most of the full-color uniforms beyond whites, tans, leathers, greys, blacks, etc. didn't break into the mainstream until the 1920s- or around the time Tennessee started wearing orange primarily. There's a fairly consistent trend of neutrality among all the uniforms. Your argument is invalid, because black uniforms were a convenience, and not a tradition, widespread trend or not.

Again, giving any sort of credence to the "black is a traditional Tennessee color!" garbage is cringe-worthy.
 
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ansleyr815 said:
I have a MBA... So I would gladly debate you in almost anything... But your pomposity would make any conversation or debate with you a miserable experience.
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What a pompous butthead. But for the record, so is the dinosaur rex. I think they both should upload pictures of their degrees so that we may all be impressed by their wonderful accomplishments.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Black was an easy color to dye, the same as the greys, whites, navies, and other darker colors worn by a lot of teams pre-1920s.


Most of the full-color uniforms beyond whites, tans, leathers, greys, blacks, etc. didn't break into the mainstream until the 1920s- or around the time Tennessee started wearing orange primarily. There's a fairly consistent trend of neutrality among all the uniforms. Your argument is invalid, because black uniforms were a convenience, and not a tradition, widespread trend or not.
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And yet no other team I found had black as their primary color. Seems like other teams managed just fine to dye the uniforms whatever color they wanted.
Michigan has yellow and blue, Nebraska had red, auburn had bright orange, Texas has orange and white stripes, Florida state bright gold, and Alabama rich crimson. I disagree completely with the neutrality argument because I'm looking at them and the majority of them are using the appropriate schools color over the majority of the garment.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
What a pompous butthead. But for the record, so is the dinosaur rex. I think they both should upload pictures of their degrees so that we may all be impressed by their wonderful accomplishments.
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I'd say having the ability and/or resolve to complete any degree program is a major achievement considering the average poster on this board.
 
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illvol said:
And yet no other team I found had black as their primary color. Seems like other teams managed just fine to dye the uniforms whatever color they wanted.
Michigan has yellow and blue, Nebraska had red, auburn had bright orange, Texas has orange and white stripes, Florida state bright gold, and Alabama rich crimson. I disagree completely with the neutrality argument because I'm looking at them and the majority of them are using the appropriate schools color over the majority of the garment.
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Florida is wearing basically only navy, as is Notre Dame (who also wore a lot of white), and Michigan has bright yellow only the sleeves, same as Tennessee's orange.

Alabama and Nebraska have dark shades of red with little detail.

These darker colors are easier to dye than bright orange, and you also have to remember that certain options were probably not available to manufacturers around Knoxville.

The only bright uniform is FSUs.

Lastly, Texas has hints of orange over primarily white.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xHjP1chJYqM/TG_qYuonekI/AAAAAAAAAos/W-2aUOV19wA/s1600/Texas.jpg

You must be blind.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Gentlemen, from the verbiage employed in dialogue on this topic, it appears that some of you utilize the word “subtle,” with respect to stylistic change, very loosely. If we consult the dictionary, we find the following definitions:

“So slight as to be difficult to detect or describe.”
“Difficult to understand; abstruse.”
“Able to make fine distinctions” (subtle - Dictionary definition and pronunciation - Yahoo! Education)

Now look at the history of Tennessee football uniforms, once they emerged from the monochromatic uniformity of black jerseys where school colors were utilized as minor accents (early 1920s) to the present (University of Tennessee Volunteers Football Uniform and Team History | Heritage Uniforms and Jerseys). Tennessee has historically been the absolute epitome of subtle stylistic change. The kind of change that many contributors to this forum are advocating, however, is not subtle; it is radical. Furthermore, I interpret advocacy of that type of change as code for “replacement,” not as an occasional alternative.

On the other hand, use of orange helmets, with a white stripe and white power T, as part of our road uniforms would be entirely consistent with Tennessee’s history of subtle stylistic change (see my advocacy for this look on p. 724 of this thread and the mockups for it on p. 727). Particularly when worn with orange pants, this combination would maximize our visual statement of who we are.

On another note, I defer to a physician when it comes to his/her medical knowledge. I defer to an attorney when it comes to legal matters. I defer to a mechanic when it comes to car repairs. Stylistic analysis of material culture is something that anthropologists are far more knowledgeable about than our advocates of radical change. It is quite obvious that such proponents will not exercise the same judgement.
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Are you a real life Sheldon ?
 
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ansleyr815 said:
I have a MBA... So I would gladly debate you in almost anything... But your pomposity would make any conversation or debate with you a miserable experience. Thanks for the lesson on cultural analysis though. I bet your conversation at the family dinner table is exhausting for everyone.
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:snoring:
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Florida is wearing basically only navy, as is Notre Dame (who also wore a lot of white), and Michigan has bright yellow only the sleeves, same as Tennessee's orange.

Alabama and Nebraska have dark shades of red with little detail.

Lastly, Texas has hints of orange over primarily white.
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You must be blind.
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I'm sorry. Blind? Where Is all the black I'm missing. If Tennessee's colors are and were orange and white and as you said, the primary colors everyone used were whites, grays, and blacks because they were easy to dye then why on earth wouldn't we dye the entire jersey white rather than black since that is 1) easy to dye according to your logic and 2) our official color???
 
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illvol said:
I'm sorry. Blind? Where Is all the black I'm missing. If Tennessee's colors are and were orange and white and as you said, the primary colors everyone used were whites, grays, and blacks because they were easy to dye then why on earth wouldn't we dye the entire jersey white rather than black since that is 1) easy to dye according to your logic and 2) our official color???
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Notice I talked about it neutral colors, not just black. Ignore what you want, though, trololo.

Because, perhaps, black is easier to keep clean for a team whose field was dirt and rocks?

A local retailer had black dye or fabric available for cheap?

Black is not a traditional color, end of story.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Because, perhaps, black is easier to keep clean for a team whose field was dirt and rocks?

A local retailer had black dye or fabric available for cheap?

Black is not a traditional color, end of story.
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Ok. I'm not even arguing that its a "traditional color" as much as I am that it was used in our uniforms for a purpose other than because there was no other choice or "everyone used it". My only argument is that it wouldn't be throwing away tradition if we went back to black on an alternate uniform for a game.
 
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illvol said:
Ok. I'm not even arguing that its a "traditional color" as much as I am that it was used in our uniforms for a purpose other than because there was no other choice or "everyone used it". My only argument is that it wouldn't be throwing away tradition if we went back to black on an alternate uniform for a game.
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What?
 
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