Vols' 2014 class rated 41st by 247

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Stoked4Zo said:
I was here last night. Yeah that loss was embarrassing but he adjusted today and won by 15+ what more do you want?
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Question is... How much less would you be satisfied with..?
Good win today bad loss last night, is that what we should expect?
 
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
Awesome that you are there and here's the thing I am happy we won today so I do not want to argue about it.

We both want the same thing. Difference is you think CCM is the right guy and I don't.
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I don't know if he's the right guy or not, there's evidence to support either argument.

It is very simple, we make the dance and Martin will receive a raise and an extension, he doesn't and he's likely gone (whether that's this year or next).

There's no sense in having a coronary on a game by game basis, we sucked last night and looked like a top 25 team today. We are 4-2 with a good chance of being 5-2 after tomorrow, that's about what most expected.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I don't know if he's the right guy or not, there's evidence to support either argument.

It is very simple, we make the dance and Martin will receive a raise and an extension, he doesn't and he's likely gone (whether that's this year or next).

There's no sense in having a coronary on a game by game basis, we sucked last night and looked like a top 25 team today. We are 4-2 with a good chance of being 5-2 after tomorrow, that's about what most expected.
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I like you will be pulling for us to get to 5-2
 
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
sure is and is what we all want in the end, a successful season.

I did see where UTEP is losing by 20 in the first half to Iowa. Hard to understand how we lost last night.
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47-22 at the half.

Iowa looks like a completely different team than they did against Xavier.

On the flip side UTEP looks completely different. They shot 60% against us, I'm guessing 25% so far tonight, missing everything.

That's why I don't put top much into any one game, anything can happen on a given night in CBB.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
47-22 at the half.

Iowa looks like a completely different team than they did against Xavier.

On the flip side UTEP looks completely different. They shot 60% against us, I'm guessing 25% so far tonight, missing everything.

That's why I don't put top much into any one game, anything can happen on a given night in CBB.
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That's why I give a coach about 2 years before I think he stinks. Martin is off and running like his first two years- slow and uninspired.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Aren't u the one preaching not to judge based solely on one game, I think there are three yrs worth of evidence.
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He had a good record his first two years. Volbeast why the hell do you still post here and watch the games? Clearly, you don't like what Martin stands for and you don't like how he coaches. Stop watching the damn game if you don't like it.

Instead of complaining about the problem, why don't you come up with a creative solution to how Martin can be let go, while we some how come up with enough money to sway a big named coach to come here and coach. Yes, let's take a risk on a coach who MAY not even do well here.

If we fired Martin, what will other coaches think about us firing him? Who wants to work at an unstable coaching Carousel known as UT? Martin's done a mediocre job here, and can still prove himself. If we fire Martin this year, I don't think we have a good chance of getting a quality coach fans are begging for (other than Bruce).
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I don't know if he's the right guy or not, there's evidence to support either argument.

It is very simple, we make the dance and Martin will receive a raise and an extension, he doesn't and he's likely gone (whether that's this year or next).

There's no sense in having a coronary on a game by game basis, we sucked last night and looked like a top 25 team today. We are 4-2 with a good chance of being 5-2 after tomorrow, that's about what most expected.
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He shouldn't get a raise or extension for making the tourney. That's his job. Otherwise what are we paying him $1.3 mil for? To run a 4 month long bball camp for young adults? He's got 2 yrs left on his contract, they should evaluate him after the 2014-15 season before his contract season starts and not before then. CCM took over a team/program that was in good enough shape to sustain tournament appearances and has managed to flame out in the NIT.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
He shouldn't get a raise or extension for making the tourney. That's his job. Otherwise what are we paying him $1.3 mil for? To run a 4 month long bball camp for young adults? He's got 2 yrs left on his contract, they should evaluate him after the 2014-15 season before his contract season starts and not before then. CCM took over a team/program that was in good enough shape to sustain tournament appearances and has managed to flame out in the NIT.
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How is inheriting Swiperboy, Kenny Hall, Tatum, McBee, Golden, a raw McRae & Maymon a good enough team to make the tourney the next year? Keep in mind McRae was not anywhere close to what he is now. He barely even played the year before under Pearl. Martin was left with a garbage roster and turned it completely around in a couple of years and has 2-3 all sec players on it. Martin deserves some credit.

Now his play calling and rotation pattern is a different story...but if he can figure that out he'll be fine.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
How is inheriting Swiperboy, Kenny Hall, Tatum, McBee, Golden, a raw McRae & Maymon a good enough team to make the tourney the next year? Keep in mind McRae was not anywhere close to what he is now. He barely even played the year before under Pearl. Martin was left with a garbage roster and turned it completely around in a couple of years and has 2-3 all sec players on it. Martin deserves some credit.

Now his play calling and rotation pattern is a different story...but if he can figure that out he'll be fine.
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McRae got beat out by Mcbee. I can't see how any one thinks that team was going to make it to the tourney. Stupid people are stupid
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
How is inheriting Swiperboy, Kenny Hall, Tatum, McBee, Golden, a raw McRae & Maymon a good enough team to make the tourney the next year? Keep in mind McRae was not anywhere close to what he is now. He barely even played the year before under Pearl. Martin was left with a garbage roster and turned it completely around in a couple of years and has 2-3 all sec players on it. Martin deserves some credit.

Now his play calling and rotation pattern is a different story...but if he can figure that out he'll be fine.
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So inheriting a team with six 4* isn't enough? Good gosh what kind of roster is needed to make the tourney? It's called developing talent. I love how when our athletic teams don't pan out fans consistently blame it on a lack of talent. Either a lot of BCS conference coaches and recruiting services missed badly or we haven't coached up the talent that's there. I'd argue the latter. Stupid people are stupid.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
So inheriting a team with six 4* isn't enough? Good gosh what kind of roster is needed to make the tourney? It's called developing talent. I love how when our athletic teams don't pan out fans consistently blame it on a lack of talent. Either a lot of BCS conference coaches and recruiting services missed badly or we haven't coached up the talent that's there. I'd argue the latter. Stupid people are stupid.
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Lol you know all those 4 stars where here before Martin. So if you are saying that the talent wasn't developed, then it was the almighty Pearl who didn't develop it. O and also you damn well know Golden, Hall, and swiper were overrated. Also Tatum I think was a 3star.
 
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iKrager said:
He had a good record his first two years. Volbeast why the hell do you still post here and watch the games? Clearly, you don't like what Martin stands for and you don't like how he coaches. Stop watching the damn game if you don't like it.

Instead of complaining about the problem, why don't you come up with a creative solution to how Martin can be let go, while we some how come up with enough money to sway a big named coach to come here and coach. Yes, let's take a risk on a coach who MAY not even do well here.

If we fired Martin, what will other coaches think about us firing him? Who wants to work at an unstable coaching Carousel known as UT? Martin's done a mediocre job here, and can still prove himself. If we fire Martin this year, I don't think we have a good chance of getting a quality coach fans are begging for (other than Bruce).
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Why would a coach give a crap? Anyone worth anything is not going to be deterred by a mediocre coach getting fired after 3 years because they don't plan to fail and, furthermore, know the business is about succeeding in March.
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
Lol you know all those 4 stars where here before Martin. So if you are saying that the talent wasn't developed, then it was the almighty Pearl who didn't develop it. O and also you damn well know Golden, Hall, and swiper were overrated. Also Tatum I think was a 3star.
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I'm not clamoring to bring Pearl back and I'm not distinguishing who failed to develop the talent. What makes these kids overrated? Because they didn't produce like their rankings suggested? Could that not be coaching as much as it is simply the players sucking? Players don't miraculously get better without coaching. There's plenty of coaches who take teams compiled of kids who have a quarter of the offer list of our roster and not only win, but win big.

FTR Tatum was a 4* on Rivals.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Players don't miraculously get better without coaching.
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If this is true than Martin did a hell of a job coaching up McRae, Maymon, and Richardson. Also we were picked to finish 11th in the SEC Martins 1st year, so even the media didn't think high of the talent on our roster. Martin didn't walk into a easy situation and if you believe he did than you are wrong
 
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I am one of CCM'S biggest doubters but I refuse to get on here and hammer him when he does what we all wAnt him to do and that is winning against good teams. I hope Martin is successful because that makes life so much more enjoyable to me.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
So inheriting a team with six 4* isn't enough? Good gosh what kind of roster is needed to make the tourney? It's called developing talent. I love how when our athletic teams don't pan out fans consistently blame it on a lack of talent. Either a lot of BCS conference coaches and recruiting services missed badly or we haven't coached up the talent that's there. I'd argue the latter. Stupid people are stupid.
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And how has McRae developed in his 3 years under Martin? Being one of the best perimeter players in the conference, maybe the country. Come on, man, you really think he can't develop his players? Pearl couldn't have gotten McRae to this level. He couldn't with Woolridge, couldn't with Hopson.
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
If this is true than Martin did a hell of a job coaching up McRae, Maymon, and Richardson. Also we were picked to finish 11th in the SEC Martins 1st year, so even the media didn't think high of the talent on our roster. Martin didn't walk into a easy situation and if you believe he did than you are wrong
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So now we trust the media/journalist? When it comes to recruiting we say they know nothing and don't trust them, trust the coaches evaluations. I for one never thought this team should've been picked 11th. When you have that talent on paper returning you're not the second to worst team in a weak ass conference. I guarantee there were only two teams in the SEC with more recruiting/paper talent than Martin's first: UK and UF. If you don't believe most coaches in the SEC would've loved the opportunity to coach six 4* and see what they could do then you're wrong.

And those using Maymon not playing the year before as evidence that our roster was in shambles I hope you're not that naive. Pearl wasn't playing Steven because he was better, he was playing Steven because he was his son; plain and simple. Maymon came out and dominated the Memphis game in Maui, you think all that came from Martin tutoring him for 4-5 weeks? The kid was a top 50 recruit who never got a chance to show what he could do under Pearl.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
So now we trust the media/journalist? When it comes to recruiting we say they know nothing and don't trust them, trust the coaches evaluations. I for one never thought this team should've been picked 11th. When you have that talent on paper returning you're not the second to worst team in a weak ass conference. I guarantee there were only two teams in the SEC with more recruiting/paper talent than Martin's first: UK and UF. If you don't believe most coaches in the SEC would've loved the opportunity to coach six 4* and see what they could do then you're wrong.

And those using Maymon not playing the year before as evidence that our roster was in shambles I hope you're not that naive. Pearl wasn't playing Steven because he was better, he was playing Steven because he was his son; plain and simple. Maymon came out and dominated the Memphis game in Maui, you think all that came from Martin tutoring him for 4-5 weeks? The kid was a top 50 recruit who never got a chance to show what he could do under Pearl.
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I agree. Maymon was Mr. Basketball in Wisconsin his junior and senior years. You don't win those awards unless you can play.
 
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