Vols coach Bruce Pearl gets $200K raise

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Bassmanbruno said:
Congratulations. We were barely better than Kentucky in their two or three worst years in their history.

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Give CBP a raise! As for Florida - everyone with a little common sense knows that their 2 NC were a perfect scenario and someone like Buzz Peterson could have won a NC with that squad CBD had. What has he done since? What did he do before? He has been there quite awhile and had a bit of success but mainly underachieved come tourney time. He's a good recruiter and an above average coach - but he put together one of the best 5 or 6 players with amazing chemistry/passing skills and was able to roll.
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The funny thing about Donovan is that his reputation is now as exalted as it is because UCONN slept through a regional final against George Mason. If the Huskies take care of business and win the National Title as they should have, there would have been no repeat for Horford and Brewer to come back for and Billy the Kid would have a goose egg in the National Title column.
 
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Maybe.

UF had one of the easiest paths to the NC game in 2006 that there has ever been. But, once they got there, they turned in an incredibly dominant performance against UCLA. And, they legitimized it by coming back the next year and doing it again. UF was more than capable of beating UConn in Indy.
 
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hatvol96 said:
So, we're paying an extra 200k to a coach who is spending the start of the most important part of recruiting season off in Israel coaching in a meaningless tournament to stroke his ego while other elite coaches are out evaluating talent? Brilliant.
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At least you managed to say something nice about Bruce. :p
 
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hatvol96 said:
The funny thing about Donovan is that his reputation is now as exalted as it is because UCONN slept through a regional final against George Mason. If the Huskies take care of business and win the National Title as they should have, there would have been no repeat for Horford and Brewer to come back for and Billy the Kid would have a goose egg in the National Title column.
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yeah because upsets are not part of the NCAA tournament every year...
 
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hatvol96 said:
Two of those "pathetic" coaches have gone every bit as far as Tanning Bed in the NCAA Tournament. Also, what does your rambling diatribe have to do with Bronzer Boy going on sabbatical at the start of the July evaluation period?
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Hat, your position on Pearl is certainly well-documented. I would just note that Pearl in four years has gone as far as any coach in school history twice. Bottom line, I look at the first 2 years as resounding successes. The third year had an incredible regular season with a disappointing end in the tourney. The fourth year was disappointing. So, basically three very successful seasons with a disappointing one. If we have a similar season this upcoming year, I will certainly begin to question Pearl's ability; but I truly think it is unfair to act as if we have some joke for a coach at this point considering the success and huge elevation of the program that he has been responsible for. I, however, respect your opinion on basketball and your evaluation of players and prospects; I just think that your labeling of Pearl as a less than good coach is certainly premature.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Hat, your position on Pearl is certainly well-documented. I would just note that Pearl in four years has gone as far as any coach in school history twice. Bottom line, I look at the first 2 years as resounding successes. The third year had an incredible regular season with a disappointing end in the tourney. The fourth year was disappointing. So, basically three very successful seasons with a disappointing one. If we have a similar season this upcoming year, I will certainly begin to question Pearl's ability; but I truly think it is unfair to act as if we have some joke for a coach at this point considering the success and huge elevation of the program that he has been responsible for. I, however, respect your opinion on basketball and your evaluation of players and prospects; I just think that your labeling of Pearl as a less than good coach is certainly premature.
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That's reasonable.
 
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hatvol96 said:
The funny thing about Donovan is that his reputation is now as exalted as it is because UCONN slept through a regional final against George Mason. If the Huskies take care of business and win the National Title as they should have, there would have been no repeat for Horford and Brewer to come back for and Billy the Kid would have a goose egg in the National Title column.
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Match them up and qualify that speculative statement. I wouldn't mind a simulated game analysis I certainly am not qualified to do it.

Not directed at you specifically but hypotheticals and speculation as support to an argument are very popular on this board (e.g, the Donovan discredit a few posts back). I hope for more substance I guess.
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kiffinator13 said:
Hat, your position on Pearl is certainly well-documented. I would just note that Pearl in four years has gone as far as any coach in school history twice. Bottom line, I look at the first 2 years as resounding successes. The third year had an incredible regular season with a disappointing end in the tourney. The fourth year was disappointing. So, basically three very successful seasons with a disappointing one. If we have a similar season this upcoming year, I will certainly begin to question Pearl's ability; but I truly think it is unfair to act as if we have some joke for a coach at this point considering the success and huge elevation of the program that he has been responsible for. I, however, respect your opinion on basketball and your evaluation of players and prospects; I just think that your labeling of Pearl as a less than good coach is certainly premature.
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All of this.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Hat, your position on Pearl is certainly well-documented. I would just note that Pearl in four years has gone as far as any coach in school history twice. Bottom line, I look at the first 2 years as resounding successes. The third year had an incredible regular season with a disappointing end in the tourney. The fourth year was disappointing. So, basically three very successful seasons with a disappointing one. If we have a similar season this upcoming year, I will certainly begin to question Pearl's ability; but I truly think it is unfair to act as if we have some joke for a coach at this point considering the success and huge elevation of the program that he has been responsible for. I, however, respect your opinion on basketball and your evaluation of players and prospects; I just think that your labeling of Pearl as a less than good coach is certainly premature.
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Kiffinator, much more eloquently put - point being we all know this information you have well written.,,,, going to your last point, what makes for a 'less than good coach?' not in the top 25 in the country? not in the top 10? Where is CBP in this mix? Is there a coaches rating poll attesting to this? Using some of the comments on this thread where Billy D and Billy Clyde are not respected, where does CBP fit within the SEC in terms of talented coaches?
 
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No kidding. It sounds like there are some who think CBP is the SEC East's #2 coach, but it doesn't matter, because Donovan, with his 2 NCs, isn't a quality coach.
 
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I can't really hang Billy Clyde's firing on him either, the program was being under recruited before he got there. He was not given enough time to get UK back up to speed. Not that Calimari is not an upgrade, just that they had a good coach already.

IMO you have to have certain benchmark programs you hold yourself accountable to in the league and in our league I think it would be Kentucky and Florida.

To point of thread, the raise is a good thing for UT as well as CBP. More money does raise the stakes and the pressure to succeed. The winning at a higher level either comes with the higher salary range or we get someone else to come in and get it done. I think CBP has done a good job in a historically better than mediocre program. He now needs to raise the bar. I hope he succeeds and am in his corner.
 
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Tampavolz said:
Kiffinator, much more eloquently put - point being we all know this information you have well written.,,,, going to your last point, what makes for a 'less than good coach?' not in the top 25 in the country? not in the top 10? Where is CBP in this mix? Is there a coaches rating poll attesting to this? Using some of the comments on this thread where Billy D and Billy Clyde are not respected, where does CBP fit within the SEC in terms of talented coaches?
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As I stated in my post, if this year's team isn't significantly better than last year's, I believe Pearl's abilities can legitimately be called into question.
 
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Tampavolz said:
I can't really hang Billy Clyde's firing on him either, the program was being under recruited before he got there. He was not given enough time to get UK back up to speed. Not that Calimari is not an upgrade, just that they had a good coach already.

IMO you have to have certain benchmark programs you hold yourself accountable to in the league and in our league I think it would be Kentucky and Florida.

To point of thread, the raise is a good thing for UT as well as CBP. More money does raise the stakes and the pressure to succeed. The winning at a higher level either comes with the higher salary range or we get someone else to come in and get it done. I think CBP has done a good job in a historically better than mediocre program. He now needs to raise the bar. I hope he succeeds and am in his corner.
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Perhaps Florida is the second benchmark program, but I am not of the opinion that Billy Donovan is the #2 coach in the league. They were nothing but an NIT team until the two championships and have been nothing but an NIT team since. Donovan has always underachieved, and if not for a few plays, would have never even had the rings.

Donovan has several more years of experience, but I believe that Trent Johnson (LSU) and perhaps Darren Horn (USC) are just as capable, if not better "in-game" coaches that Donovan. Stansbury and CBP are not so bad either.

As for the original reason this thread was started, I believe Pearl has done a nice job, and quite frankly brought the UT program far from where it was when he took over. His persona has stepped up the recruiting for the school, and he has pumped some life in the hoops program, no doubt. However, I don't see him being the coach with the correct "discipline" to go all the way to the next level.

Not personality or recruiting wise, but results wise... it reminds me of the Tubby Smith era. ( after the miracle that happened in 98). Lots of promise, lots of good teams.... just not the results.

(however, I believe teams with equal talent, Tubby would best BP 90% of the time.)

Reading over this, it looks like a rant. Oh well.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Perhaps Florida is the second benchmark program, but I am not of the opinion that Billy Donovan is the #2 coach in the league. They were nothing but an NIT team until the two championships and have been nothing but an NIT team since. Donovan has always underachieved, and if not for a few plays, would have never even had the rings.

Donovan has several more years of experience, but I believe that Trent Johnson (LSU) and perhaps Darren Horn (USC) are just as capable, if not better "in-game" coaches that Donovan. Stansbury and CBP are not so bad either.

As for the original reason this thread was started, I believe Pearl has done a nice job, and quite frankly brought the UT program far from where it was when he took over. His persona has stepped up the recruiting for the school, and he has pumped some life in the hoops program, no doubt. However, I don't see him being the coach with the correct "discipline" to go all the way to the next level.

Not personality or recruiting wise, but results wise... it reminds me of the Tubby Smith era. ( after the miracle that happened in 98). Lots of promise, lots of good teams.... just not the results.

(however, I believe teams with equal talent, Tubby would best BP 90% of the time.)

Reading over this, it looks like a rant. Oh well.
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Then why did he go .500 against BP at UK with Rondo, Morris, Crawford, etc? Not to mention Chris Lofton was absent one of those games at Rupp.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Then why did he go .500 against BP at UK with Rondo, Morris, Crawford, etc? Not to mention Chris Lofton was absent one of those games at Rupp.
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did I say 90%? I meant 50. :) However, they only played 4 times... so I don't think either of us can use numbers to 100% back up our argument.

I was kind of thinking, 2 teams with the actual identical players, if you get my meaning. BP had some good "match-ups" against those teams.

Not to mention, Rondo was not the player in college that he is in the NBA and Morris well..... I don't see any need to go any further. that guy was terrible. lol

Tubby had a way of making a #75 ranked recruiting class a top 25 team, and also had a way of making a #1 ranked recruiting class a top 25 team, if that makes sense.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
did I say 90%? I meant 50. :) However, they only played 4 times... so I don't think either of us can use numbers to 100% back up our argument.

I was kind of thinking, 2 teams with the actual identical players, if you get my meaning. BP had some good "match-ups" against those teams.

Not to mention, Rondo was not the player in college that he is in the NBA and Morris well..... I don't see any need to go any further. that guy was terrible. lol

Tubby had a way of making a #75 ranked recruiting class a top 25 team, and also had a way of making a #1 ranked recruiting class a top 25 team, if that makes sense.
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Nicely written. I agree with you.
 
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Morris may have been terrible for your standards - but would have been the best post man on our team the years he was in college.
 
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Tampavolz said:
yeah, Rondo was pathetic in college....good thing he went pro.
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I never said he was pathetic, nor any good. It was a simple statement, he was not the same player.... which is not a bold statement. His style of play and Tubby ALWAYS clashed, and though he showed great talent and played well, he was not the stat stuffer that he is now.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
I never said he was pathetic, nor any good. It was a simple statement, he was not the same player.... which is not a bold statement. His style of play and Tubby ALWAYS clashed, and though he showed great talent and played well, he was not the stat stuffer that he is now.
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I agree with that. Rondo's stats are much better at the NBA level than when he was at UK. But that does not take away from the fact that he was an extremely talented player that, as shown through his play in the NBA, that Tubby Smith had at his disposal that was far better than any of our players at that time.
 
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