Vols finish 5-7 again. Bank it.

#76
#76
They scored 34 on Ole Miss and 25 on S. Carolina both top 25 teams. UT scored 10 on a Florida defense that was missing some guys. The other 7 points came on a pic 6 from the defense. Your post is a major fail!

Ole miss sucks and if u watched the vandy/USC game then you would have seen that USC was up 28-0 and had already gone started celebrating.

I don't care if the Vols get 15 safeties in a row, that's 30 points that I will take. Points are points and you discredit the Vols while pumping up Candy. Again, they put up 10 in 3.5 quarters on UMass! What was that about for such a prolific offense???
 
#77
#77
I hope Volnation understands a few things.
1) We still have 8 games to improve. Although a lot of those games look tough (Georgia, South Carolina, and Alabama), I have faith in our team to get tougher and more united as the season goes on.
2) Last Saturday was the staff’s 4th games! Dooley left our coaches with no quarterback, no secondary, no team unity, no depth, and no culture of winning. These things take more than days to fix, takes seasons.

Here are some informations you can look to get relief:

Look at these coaches' first year records.

Urban Meyer (Florida) 9-3
Nick Saban (Alabama) 7-6
Will Muschamp 7-6
James Franklin 6-7

Urban Meyer had a 9-3 season, the best among the ones listed, but what people don't know is CUM inherited a talented Florida roster that had a 7-5 record the previous year. So CUM improved the team by +2 wins.

Nick Saban's first year team went 6-7 the year before, thus improving the record by +1 win.

Will Muschamp inherited a very talented roster from CUM that went 8-5 the year before, and worsened the record by -1 win.

James Franklin is well known for inheriting a 2-10 team and improving them to a 6-7 team, +4 wins. However, his wins came from Elon (5-6), Ole Miss (2-10), Army (3-9), Kentucky (5-7), Wake Forrest (6-7), and Conneticut (5-7). His most impressive win of that season was against Wake Forrest.

I really wanted to do a detailed analysis of the coaches' situation when they inherited the team (including recruiting, NCAA sanctions, player analysis, number of All-Americans, etc), but I am in law school and don't have the time (I really shouldn't be doing this right now, I have 100 pages to read before tomorrow!). I decided to take the simpler approach and look at the Win-Loss ratio of three previous years before the coaches inherited their teams.

CUM 23-15
Saban 22-15
WM 34-7
JF 11-26

These coaches all showed a drastic improvement their second season:

WM 11-2
CUM 13-1
JF 9-4
NS 12-2

So where does Coach Butch Jones's roster stand?
Our team went 5-7 last year, and 16-21 the past three years. It is pretty clear that our roster is closer to the one James Franklin inherited than to Nick Saban's or Urban Meyers'.

Coaching record of CBJ shows a similar pattern:
At Cincinnati, he was 4-8 first season, and 10-3 second season.

SO WHERE AM I TRYING TO GET WITH THIS?

1. Will Muschamp is terrible coach according this basic analysis.
2. We need to be patient. It will be irrational to expect the similar results NS and CUM had their second season, just look at the roster!
3. CBJ is killing the recruiting trail and is working endlessly to get us back to the top, so let’s give him a chance and wait for another season, if not two and not get frustrated over losing to two ranked teams!
 
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#78
#78
In case you didn't know Florida defense was ranked #3 in the nation. UMass defense is ranked terrible. So there is that.....

I won't argue that Vandy looked like crap against UMASS. Vandy's offense is still light years ahead of Tennessee's right now. If UT doesn't show vast improvement they won't win any SEC games this year!
 
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#79
I won't argue that Vandy looked like crap against UMASS. Vandy's offense is still light years ahead of Tennessee's right now. If UT doesn't show vast improvement they won't win any SEC games this year!

I just don't have any evidence to agree with you that Vandy offense is better than Vols right now. They put 30+ on Ole piss and put a few on USC in garbage time.

By comparison Vols have played much better teams and defenses with Oregon and Florida.
 
#80
#80
I won't argue that Vandy looked like crap against UMASS. Vandy's offense is still light years ahead of Tennessee's right now. If UT doesn't show vast improvement they won't win any SEC games this year!

If Vandy don't show vast improvement they won't win any SEC games this year!
 
#81
#81
Ole miss sucks and if u watched the vandy/USC game then you would have seen that USC was up 28-0 and had already gone started celebrating.

I don't care if the Vols get 15 safeties in a row, that's 30 points that I will take. Points are points and you discredit the Vols while pumping up Candy. Again, they put up 10 in 3.5 quarters on UMass! What was that about for such a prolific offense???

Ole Miss is undefeated and ranked they don't suck. Vandy is not playing well but they have talent and can hang with most every team on their schedule. The Vols have very little talent and have sucked in every phase of the game thus far. Florida played awful Saturday and would have lost to nearly every team in the SEC. Turn off your blinders this UT team is horrible right now. If u new anything about football u would see that.
 
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#84
#84
Nope 4-8 if we get lucky now...things are just too f***ed up on both sides of the ball. I've watched both the Oregon and Florida games. Yeah it's looking real bad the rest of the year. I'm not even thinking bout how bad the bama and dawg games could get or the rest of the season for that matter...
 
#86
#86
Think we beat Vandy or Missou? I think neither at this point.

We beat them both because Vandy is at home and by the time we see MO they will be beat down because of schedule...
 
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#87
#87
Moronic OP... bank on it.

I am not convinced that Jones is the right guy. I don't know how the season will end up. But this roster definitely has 7 wins in it. If Jones can improve them week to week then they'll get them. They'll beat the 6 teams they have a talent advantage on plus on of UGA, USCe, and Aub with USCe being the most vulnerable.
 
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#88
I hope Volnation understands a few things.
1) We still have 8 games to improve. Although a lot of those games look tough (Georgia, South Carolina, and Alabama), I have faith in our team to get tougher and more united as the season goes on.
2) Last Saturday was the staff’s 4th games! Dooley left our coaches with no quarterback, no secondary, no team unity, no depth, and no culture of winning. These things take more than days to fix, takes seasons.

Here are some informations you can look to get relief:

Look at these coaches' first year records.

Urban Meyer (Florida) 9-3
Nick Saban (Alabama) 7-6
Will Muschamp 7-6
James Franklin 6-7

Urban Meyer had a 9-3 season, the best among the ones listed, but what people don't know is CUM inherited a talented Florida roster that had a 7-5 record the previous year. So CUM improved the team by +2 wins.

Nick Saban's first year team went 6-7 the year before, thus improving the record by +1 win.

Will Muschamp inherited a very talented roster from CUM that went 8-5 the year before, and worsened the record by -1 win.

James Franklin is well known for inheriting a 2-10 team and improving them to a 6-7 team, +4 wins. However, his wins came from Elon (5-6), Ole Miss (2-10), Army (3-9), Kentucky (5-7), Wake Forrest (6-7), and Conneticut (5-7). His most impressive win of that season was against Wake Forrest.

I really wanted to do a detailed analysis of the coaches' situation when they inherited the team (including recruiting, NCAA sanctions, player analysis, number of All-Americans, etc), but I am in law school and don't have the time (I really shouldn't be doing this right now, I have 100 pages to read before tomorrow!). I decided to take the simpler approach and look at the Win-Loss ratio of three previous years before the coaches inherited their teams.

CUM 23-15
Saban 22-15
WM 34-7
JF 11-26

These coaches all showed a drastic improvement their second season:

WM 11-2
CUM 13-1
JF 9-4
NS 12-2

So where does Coach Butch Jones's roster stand?
Our team went 5-7 last year, and 16-21 the past three years. It is pretty clear that our roster is closer to the one James Franklin inherited than to Nick Saban's or Urban Meyers'.

Coaching record of CBJ shows a similar pattern:
At Cincinnati, he was 4-8 first season, and 10-3 second season.

SO WHERE AM I TRYING TO GET WITH THIS?

1. Will Muschamp is terrible coach according this basic analysis.
2. We need to be patient. It will be irrational to expect the similar results NS and CUM had their second season, just look at the roster!
3. CBJ is killing the recruiting trail and is working endlessly to get us back to the top, so let’s give him a chance and wait for another season, if not two and not get frustrated over losing to two ranked teams!
You stated that Dooley left our coaches with no quarterback. I was under the impression that Tyler Bray was the qb when Dooley left. You stated that Dooley left no secondary. I thought that Randolph , McNeil, Gordon, and Coleman were there when Dooley left.
 
#89
#89
Think we beat Vandy or Missou? I think neither at this point.

Then Jones will have lost to two teams that he has a clear talent advantage over. It is simply amazing how greatly you guys overestimate the talent on those two teams. Vandy's season last year was a perfect storm of a bad UT program and a schedule otherwise weak enough for them to get 8 wins. Had UT had even a remotely competent DC... Mizzou is a 4-8 team last year. Depth? Mizzou isn't one deep with SEC caliber players much less two deep.
 
#90
#90
6-6 and that should get Butch coach of the year. people just dont realize how bad off UT is right now.

I agree with you that we should be no worse than 6 wins and 6 losses. The real season for Tennessee doesn't start till we get to Missouri. Any game outside of South Alabama should be a loss. More on that in a moment. Tennessee is improving. The improvement is not major in that we didn't suddenly get faster, more talented or more knowledgable. The improvement is that we have now played four games and two of those games against some of the best players in the world. The coaches now truly know the hand that they have been dealt. Our freshman still have miles to go but they at least understand what they are up against. In my opionion, Alabama is no better than Oregon. Georgia and South Carolina are not much better, talent wise, than Florida. When we get to Missouri and beyond, we will be playing teams that are closer to us in talent, experience and depth. I believe that we will win out from Missouri on. That could get us to 7 wins and given this team's trials and tribulations 7 wins would be hugh. Go to a bowl and win that game and we have an 8 win season. The recruits will come and Jones and co will be on their way.

I saw signs against Florida that Tennessee might have an offense looking to get out. I believe that if Worley begins to believe in himself, Tennessee might find some offense. If that is the case, a Georgia or a South Carolina looking past us might get beat. A lot of people are going to get torched by Oregon this year, so I don't think that it is fair to judge our defense off of that loss. A defense that continues to improve and the discovery of an offensive identity could be just what the doctor ordered for an upset.
 
#91
#91
You stated that Dooley left our coaches with no quarterback.
Bray was never coming back regardless of who was coaching. However there were two QB's on the roster and one committed in Ferguson. When Dooley took over... there was really ZERO QB's on the roster. Both Bray and Simms joined the program that spring.
You stated that Dooley left no secondary. I thought that Randolph , McNeil, Gordon, and Coleman were there when Dooley left.

Gordon quit which still mystifies me. There were a few good players left but not much depth.

But in reality... that's what you get when you replace a coach fired for performance- a roster with thin spots. That's also why you get paid millions... to coach over thin spots and get the most out of your roster you can as soon as you can. This is a 7 or 8 win roster if he does that and can outcoach mid-tier SEC coaches.
 
#92
#92
I believe most are concerned that the more games team #117 loses that it will begin to negatively reflect on the recruiting class.
 
#94
#94
Unless our offense makes some drastic changes, we'll be lucky to get 5 wins. We have no QB, young WR's, and a mediocre RB at best.
 
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#98
Think we beat Vandy or Missou? I think neither at this point.

Have you watched Vandy this year?

Looked horrible against Austin Peay early.

Look horrible against Massachusetts in general. It was 10-7 going into the 4th quarter.

Got blown out by South Carolina, the score is irrelevant. At one point, it was 28-0 in the 2nd quarter and 35-10 going into the 4th quarter.

Vanderbilt is terrible.
 
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#99
I hope there are...there is no other way to fix stupid.

This is hands down one of the most classless posts I've ever read.

Condoning the idea of someone committing suicide... smh.

It's ironic that you think stupid people should kill themselves while you live in Memphis of all places. There would be little left of that ghetto if stupidity was grounds for suicide. Did I say ghetto? I mean city...
 
Offense can't score. Defense slows down after 1st Qtr. I'm tired of watching mediocrity. You can take the best players in the nation and put them on this team. However, no matter what happens, the team will not win. It's pathetic.

Guess I know without a doubt we wont be 5-7 this year. Every time someone says bank it then it never happens. Please bank 4-8 too so then that puts us at atleast 6 wins and a bowl. Its early bro not many teams are gonna play at Oregon and at UF back to back and win one of them muchless both. I would bet anything Ala, LSU nor Clemson would have won both of those on the road back to back weeks. Would be lucky to have gone 1-1. Thats why you don't see them setting this kind of schedule up. I doubt Ala would do a home and home with Oregon. We are young and inexperienced, its gonna happen with this brutal schedule the Vols have this yr. Really one of the more brutal schedules I have seen by any team in yrs.
 

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