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[ndubvols]

Your statement is true but what about the new deal where they get paid for their likeness? could they have made 1.7 million or even 1 million and stayed for 1 or even 2 more years? What a team we would have this season!

Could they have? Maybe, I doubt it though. Like I said, it’s hard to argue their decision when they’re getting guaranteed contracts of $1.7+ for at least 2 years. I know I’d take it.

 

[BruinVol]

Bruin is the worst poster on this board and it's not even close.

I know you hate when I am proven correct time and time again here but don’t expect me to just let posters forget “gotcha” post like this go when those posters ultimately are proven wrong. Sorry you don’t like me but I am correct way more times than most around here

Contrary to what @BruinVol predicted, Springer tested pretty well athletically…those jumping measurements are great numbers for him.

 

[BruinVol]

NIL makes coming back to school way easier these days

I think we are going to see less one and dones due to it

 

[Vol49er]

NIL makes coming back to school way easier these days

I think we are going to see less one and dones due to it

I think the combination of NIL and high schoolers being able to jump straight to the G league will combine to make it so there are less one and dones, I agree

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

NIL makes coming back to school way easier these days

I think we are going to see less one and dones due to it

I think you may see fewer guys on the fringes declare but guaranteed first rounders are still going to declare at a similar rate. The name of the game in the NBA is getting to the 2nd contract and getting generational changing money as early as possible.

 

[BruinVol]

I think you may see fewer guys on the fringes declare but guaranteed first rounders are still going to declare at a similar rate. The name of the game in the NBA is getting to the 2nd contract and getting generational changing money as early as possible.

Our thinking isn’t far off for sure but I see it making slightly more difference. I see it as a guy like Springer being able to gamble on himself more and come back. That prospect that is middle to late 1st rounder or even might fall into the second round is the one I see coming back.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Our thinking isn’t far off for sure but I see it making slightly more difference. I see it as a guy like Springer being able to gamble on himself more and come back. That prospect that is middle to late 1st rounder or even might fall into the second round is the one I see coming back.

Im thinking its the next level down from Springer. Its those guys in the 40-70 range that will be more likely to come back. Even with the NIL, the math doesn't really work unless there is some extenuating circumstance for those with 1st round grades.

 

[BruinVol]

Im thinking its the next level down from Springer. Its those guys in the 40-70 range that will be more likely to come back. Even with the NIL, the math doesn't really work unless there is some extenuating circumstance for those with 1st round grades.

I guess I just think it’s easier for a kid at Kentucky to take some serious cash for their NiL and bet on themselves improving. Jmo

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I guess I just think it’s easier for a kid at Kentucky to take some serious cash for their NiL and bet on themselves improving. Jmo

What the player's should do (if you a 1/Done and 50-75 range) versus what they actually will do are 2 different things.

These kids dream about playing in the League and not pitching the local used car dealerships in Lexington. I think the NIL may help keep some of those players that are borderline in getting drafted. You might see fewer G League players with NIL.

 

[walkenvol]

Are you guys seeing these boosters handing out $1M+ NIL contracts? If they do then maybe it changes the process. Hard to imagine there’s that many guys with excess funds that they’re willing to hand $1M+ over to an 18 year old kid who may or may not become a great player for their school? Maybe there’s more stupid rich folks than I imagine?

 

[BruinVol]

Are you guys seeing these boosters handing out $1M+ NIL contracts? If they do then maybe it changes the process. Hard to imagine there’s that many guys with excess funds that they’re willing to hand $1M+ over to an 18 year old kid who may or may not become a great player for their school? Maybe there’s more stupid rich folks than I imagine?

Not so much a booster but why not a sponsorship isn’t that allowed now ?

 

[walkenvol]

Not so much a booster but why not a sponsorship isn’t that allowed now ?

I’m using those terms interchangeably as I’m assuming company giving the sponsorship / contract will do so because the company is owned or controlled by a fan. Maybe that’s an inaccurate assumption?

 

[pimo1]

Your statement is true but what about the new deal where they get paid for their likeness? could they have made 1.7 million or even 1 million and stayed for 1 or even 2 more years? What a team we would have this season!

Lol no.... the chances a college player makes that much yearly via NIL is slim to none unless its in football and they are like a Heisman winning Sophmore QB or something. If a basketball player is popular and talented enough to make that much in college he is a slam dunk number 1 draft pick.

 

[pimo1]

NIL makes coming back to school way easier these days

I think we are going to see less one and dones due to it

Honestly Ido not think NIL will have much impact on the guys that are one and dones and first-rounders. It will have much more impact on the rank and file and the borderline guys. There are lots of guys that went to the draft early in the past that were super popular locally and went undrafted. Even getting like a few thousand a months can be the difference for some guy.. allowing them to live more comfortably I also think that people believe way too much in tall tales and conspiracy theories. Yes I am sure there are and were boosters in the past giving out the bag but I think the bag was a lot less impressive than most people make it out to be 99% of the time.I have some amount of second-hand experience with this Family and friends who were highly recruited. Yes there is a lot of corruption and money/benefits do exchange hands but what gets reported get blown out of proportion. Kind of like when cops make a drug bust and say it had X street value. I can guarantee you anytime that hits the news the number if off usually by a factor of about 5-10 one way or the other. they blow it out of proportion to make themselves look better or a good amount goes 'unreported'. Nothing against the police... just seemed a good example.

 

[CannonFodder]

Lol no.... the chances a college player makes that much yearly via NIL is slim to none unless its in football and they are like a Heisman winning Sophmore QB or something. If a basketball player is popular and talented enough to make that much in college he is a slam dunk number 1 draft pick.

Not disagreeing but we already have a Bama QB thats never seen the field make 1 million before the season starts. I think in the end the basketball players will make much more just because there are fewer of them. These 2 may have been perfect candidates if this process was mature, both late first round choices who could be lottery picks in a year or two.

 

[pimo1]

Not disagreeing but we already have a Bama QB thats never seen the field make 1 million before the season starts. I think in the end the basketball players will make much more just because there are fewer of them. These 2 may have been perfect candidates if this process was mature, both late first round choices who could be lottery picks in a year or two.

I saw the articles about Bryce Young. It was presented as someone offered him this not he cashed a check. He also happens to be a touted bama QB. As I said if there is someone gonna get it it's gonna be a QB, probably a sophomore and likely a Heisman winner.thats 2/3 his case is a weird one be sure someone is making an investment.A college football player can't go in the draft before he's been in college 3 years and isn't gonna get drafted unless he's played (very well) for at least 1. Basketball is a very different landscape. These kids can be one and dones, never play a game and still go first round. If a basketball player is marketable and draftable they go because the NBA drafts on potential. Lastly there is a lot less money in college basketball. Football is where the money is.yeah a football team has a lot more players but it's really about 1 or QBs. Those guys will hands down get the big deals and football players are a better investment for sponsors because they know if they lock him up early they have him for 3 years at least to build a relationship.

Mark my words outside of a few edge cases on big teams NIL won't bring life-changing money to these kids. Very few big companies are gonna back any but the most elite because then you saturate the market and the commodity loses value.most NIL will be local and small businesses trying to latch on.

 

[CannonFodder]

I saw the articles about Bryce Young. It was presented as someone offered him this not he cashed a check. He also happens to be a touted bama QB. As I said if there is someone gonna get it it's gonna be a QB, probably a sophomore and likely a Heisman winner.thats 2/3 his case is a weird one be sure someone is making an investment.A college football player can't go in the draft before he's been in college 3 years and isn't gonna get drafted unless he's played (very well) for at least 1. Basketball is a very different landscape. These kids can be one and dones, never play a game and still go first round. If a basketball player is marketable and draftable they go because the NBA drafts on potential. Lastly there is a lot less money in college basketball. Football is where the money is.yeah a football team has a lot more players but it's really about 1 or QBs. Those guys will hands down get the big deals and football players are a better investment for sponsors because they know if they lock him up early they have him for 3 years at least to build a relationship.

Mark my words outside of a few edge cases on big teams NIL won't bring life-changing money to these kids. Very few big companies are gonna back any but the most elite because then you saturate the market and the commodity loses value.most NIL will be local and small businesses trying to latch on.

All true but I think you are underestimating the power of money when inserted into the recruiting process. These boosters with corporations don't care if its basketball or football, they want to be competitive in both. They have been paying the top 50 basketball players for years under the table and those players expectations just went up. I would say in 5 years every starting player on a top 20 basketball team will be getting paid with the top 20 players getting over 1 million. I see this reducing the number of one and done type players entering the draft. Only the guaranteed high first rounders will jump. Sabin has basically already said, "come to Bama and make millions" and so it begins.

 

[cncchris33]

I saw the articles about Bryce Young. It was presented as someone offered him this not he cashed a check. He also happens to be a touted bama QB. As I said if there is someone gonna get it it's gonna be a QB, probably a sophomore and likely a Heisman winner.thats 2/3 his case is a weird one be sure someone is making an investment.A college football player can't go in the draft before he's been in college 3 years and isn't gonna get drafted unless he's played (very well) for at least 1. Basketball is a very different landscape. These kids can be one and dones, never play a game and still go first round. If a basketball player is marketable and draftable they go because the NBA drafts on potential. Lastly there is a lot less money in college basketball. Football is where the money is.yeah a football team has a lot more players but it's really about 1 or QBs. Those guys will hands down get the big deals and football players are a better investment for sponsors because they know if they lock him up early they have him for 3 years at least to build a relationship.

Mark my words outside of a few edge cases on big teams NIL won't bring life-changing money to these kids. Very few big companies are gonna back any but the most elite because then you saturate the market and the commodity loses value.most NIL will be local and small businesses trying to latch on.

He's been offered over $1 million in endorsements for NIL, and has already signed on for deals worth $800k+. Never taken a meaningful snap of football.

 

[pimo1]

Like I said before now that it out in the open the truth will come out. It's great to sit at the bar and talk about all these mysterious fat cat boosters running around with bags of cash to any random recruit. Yes most high end recruits get offered some form of 'payment' but as I mentioned the reality is the times someone gets an actual large payout is very rare. They most get paid in benefits and goods. There are a lot lot less of these boosters passing out money than you seem to think and a lot less money involved.

 

[pimo1]

He's been offered over $1 million in endorsements for NIL, and has already signed on for deals worth $800k+. Never taken a meaningful snap of football.

As I said before this is all 'reported' and we will see but as I said before he does fit the profile. Sophomore college QB, was a major blue chipper plays for a program that dominates yearly. He is an exception to the rule not the rule.my argument is not that no one will ever get big money.i thought I made that clear in my earlier post. My argument was that no basketball player will (short of the next Zion) will get that type of money because it's a bad investment. Football players have to have 3 years out of high school and to get drafted they have to play and play well. This makes star football players safer investments. There are more good football players in college than there are basketball players in college.. period.

 

[pimo1]

Also you both know by default Bryce Young will put up good numbers by default in Bamas offense. JG could put up good numbers there. Will he be great? Who knows but he's a good investment because of where he is. Not many other players are in that position. For the record he took just over 30 snaps last season.

 

[omghulkhands]

As I said before this is all 'reported' and we will see but as I said before he does fit the profile. Sophomore college QB, was a major blue chipper plays for a program that dominates yearly. He is an exception to the rule not the rule.my argument is not that no one will ever get big money.i thought I made that clear in my earlier post. My argument was that no basketball player will (short of the next Zion) will get that type of money because it's a bad investment. Football players have to have 3 years out of high school and to get drafted they have to play and play well. This makes star football players safer investments. There are more good football players in college than there are basketball players in college.. period.

Khris Middleton is Among the Wealthiest NBA Players on the Court but Makes Almost Nothing off the Floor

To your point (although this is prior to the Bucks winning the title)

But still, an NBA All-Star that brings in less than $1M in endorsements per year

 

[butchna]

Not disagreeing but we already have a Bama QB thats never seen the field make 1 million before the season starts. I think in the end the basketball players will make much more just because there are fewer of them. These 2 may have been perfect candidates if this process was mature, both late first round choices who could be lottery picks in a year or two.

Young saw the field last season…but that doesn’t change your point.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Lol no.... the chances a college player makes that much yearly via NIL is slim to none unless its in football and they are like a Heisman winning Sophmore QB or something. If a basketball player is popular and talented enough to make that much in college he is a slam dunk number 1 draft pick.

I think that elite basketball players will have opportunities to earn large bank with N-I-L. Three times as many games as football players. One of 5 instead of one of 22 plus kickers. Their likeness isn’t covered up by a helmet. One-and-done players on top ten teams will cash in.

 

[cncchris33]

As I said before this is all 'reported' and we will see but as I said before he does fit the profile. Sophomore college QB, was a major blue chipper plays for a program that dominates yearly. He is an exception to the rule not the rule.my argument is not that no one will ever get big money.i thought I made that clear in my earlier post. My argument was that no basketball player will (short of the next Zion) will get that type of money because it's a bad investment. Football players have to have 3 years out of high school and to get drafted they have to play and play well. This makes star football players safer investments. There are more good football players in college than there are basketball players in college.. period.

My response was in reference to your implication (also restated in the above post) that his NIL figures are somehow untrue/inflated/unprovable. You're not likely to ever have proof that he has "cashed the check", so secondhand information via media outlets is just going to have to work.

The rest of the premise of your posts I don't take exception with as they have merit.