VQ chats with Dave Hart...

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Well, if CCM doesn't pan out this year, we will be able to see what Hart can bring to the table when it comes to hiring a BBALL coach. ultimately, Hart's job security will be determined by Butch's success or lack thereof.
 
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tomq_123 said:
For people to not see what a mess Hart inherited is beyond me. First off, one of the biggest problems Hamilton created that Hart has had to fix is the fact that the school administrators, professors, etc... had to much power over the athletics programs. We were losing out on top recruits because they had changed the rules so these recruits couldn't make it into the University. They were acting like this was an Ivy League school and not a school in the SEC. Both Hart and CBJ have been trying to change this so that we can go and get these recruits again, get them on campus but also help them stay on campus. They seem to be doing it in a way that includes the school administrators, professors and not necessarily against them. Recruiting is what is going to get this team back to the top and both Hart and CBJ know this and the results are showing with the 2014 recruiting class.
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Our recruiting rankings have actually dropped during Hart's tenure. This class may change that pattern, but no one has signed yet.

And no one argued that Hart didn't inherit a bad situation. I'll acknowledge that. Lots of people inherit bad situations when the previous guy was fired. If it was a good situation he probably wouldn't have been fired. But hardly anyone gets 3 years before they're expected to make any improvements.
 
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3rd_and_Jancek said:
You love you some hindsight .lol Who did you want to see hired as the DC when Sunseri was hired? How could anyone know that he would've been that bad? What should Hart have done differently?
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I mean, when you hire a guy with no previous experience being a DC, then you have to know it's a risk. If I had a well paid job that hinged on the performance of the football program, I would think I would make every effort to gauge such a risk before I hired him and I would certainly expect to be held accountable for his failure.
 
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oregonvol said:
I mean, when you hire a guy with no previous experience being a DC, then you have to know it's a risk. If I had a well paid job that hinged on the performance of the football program, I would think I would make every effort to gauge such a risk before I hired him and I would certainly expect to be held accountable for his failure.
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I'll ask again. Who did you want them to hire?
 
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3rd_and_Jancek said:
I'll ask again. Who did you want them to hire?
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In the situation with Wilcox leaving what we needed to do was make a sinking ship look as if we were simply dumping bad weight. It doesn't matter what the cards say in your hand, it's what you make everyone else think they say that matters. Same can be said with the Pearl situation and Hamilton. Everyone knew Hamilton's job was on the line and he panicked and turned a bad situation into a catastrophic situation. You can't blame an AD for a hire that's ultimately the HC decision, but as an AD you do need to help make the situation look favorable by providing the necessary resources and negotiating techniques to the table to get the job done. Hart did not help the situation, and when it was time to find a replacement he slipped on a banana peel from everything I heard from my resources and by luck landed on a pillow in Butch Jones.
 
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keckjm said:
In the situation with Wilcox leaving what we needed to do was make a sinking ship look as if we were simply dumping bad weight. It doesn't matter what the cards say in your hand, it's what you make everyone else think they say that matters. Same can be said with the Pearl situation and Hamilton. Everyone knew Hamilton's job was on the line and he panicked and turned a bad situation into a catastrophic situation. You can't blame an AD for a hire that's ultimately the HC decision, but as an AD you do need to help make the situation look favorable by providing the necessary resources and negotiating techniques to the table to get the job done. Hart did not help the situation, and when it was time to find a replacement he slipped on a banana peel from everything I heard from my resources and by luck landed on a pillow in Butch Jones.
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All valid points, but I'm still waiting on an answer to who should've been hired as DC.
 
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oregonvol said:
And yet, under Hamilton, we never had back to back years without a bowl. We have 3 straight under Hart.

And under Hamilton, we made the NCAA tournament in men's basketball 6 straight years. Never made it under Hart.

Of course, Hamilton screwed up a ton of stuff and deserves blame for it. But Hart has been here for nearly 3 years (and 3 straight losing seasons in football). At some point, he doesn't get to simply blame Hamilton anymore. At some point, he has to take responsibility. Especially when results have actually been worse on his watch.
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You can't be serious. I think it's safe to categorize you as a troll or too ignorant to even acknowledge at this point.
 
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#37
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oregonvol said:
Our recruiting rankings have actually dropped during Hart's tenure. This class may change that pattern, but no one has signed yet.

And no one argued that Hart didn't inherit a bad situation. I'll acknowledge that. Lots of people inherit bad situations when the previous guy was fired. If it was a good situation he probably wouldn't have been fired. But hardly anyone gets 3 years before they're expected to make any improvements.
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I think that had more to do with Dooley than Hart. And Hart didn't hire Dooley.
 
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3rd_and_Jancek said:
All valid points, but I'm still waiting on an answer to who should've been hired as DC.
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Lance Thompson should have been named DC. He has all the experience you want as a position coach, and he had recruited most the guys on the team. If we couldn't land a top DC, which we couldn't, then Thompson should have been named DC.
 
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keckjm said:
Lance Thompson should have been named DC. He has all the experience you want as a position coach, and he had recruited most the guys on the team. If we couldn't land a top DC, which we couldn't, then Thompson should have been named DC.
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That may or may not have worked. I liked Lance Thompson.
 
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toddyj said:
Why does everyone hate hart so bad? He didn't create this mess. He's trying to get ya out if it.
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Trying isn't doing. Trying is getting the same bad results year after year after year. Hence, the frustration.
 
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LA Vol said:
Trying isn't doing. Trying is getting the same bad results year after year after year. Hence, the frustration.
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I get that but it's not like Hart walked into a thriving program with no issues. Name one sport that Hamilton didn't turn to chit in his time here. Supposedly he was great at getting donations, etc yet the athletic department was broke as hell when he left.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I get that but it's not like Hart walked into a thriving program with no issues. Name one sport that Hamilton didn't turn to chit in his time here. Supposedly he was great at getting donations, etc yet the athletic department was broke as hell when he left.
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The ones he didn't have control over...aka women's sports.
 
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3rd_and_Jancek said:
I'll ask again. Who did you want them to hire?
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Honestly, I was so checked out at that point because it was obvious that Dooley was a lame duck and should have been fired after the Kentucky loss that I didn't care. It was obviously a sinking ship. But that doesn't absolve Hart for keeping Dooley for another year, hiring an unproven DC, giving him a buyout and letting everything get even worse.
 
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oregonvol said:
Honestly, I was so checked out at that point because it was obvious that Dooley was a lame duck and should have been fired after the Kentucky loss that I didn't care. It was obviously a sinking ship. But that doesn't absolve Hart for keeping Dooley for another year, hiring an unproven DC, giving him a buyout and letting everything get even worse.
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"Fire Hart, Fire Cuonzo , Fire Butch, Fire Everybody" - OregonVol
 
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DaddyChad said:
I get that but it's not like Hart walked into a thriving program with no issues. Name one sport that Hamilton didn't turn to chit in his time here. Supposedly he was great at getting donations, etc yet the athletic department was broke as hell when he left.
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I agree with you-- Hamilton ruined everything he touched. But he's been gone for three years, and Hart's lack of progress hasn't won him many fans. He handled the Dooley business badly. Then he alienated boosters and bungled the search for Dooley's replacement. CBJ may turn out to be a fortuitous hire, but it would be an example of a blind squirrel finally finding a nut.
 
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BlueHalo said:
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Did he hire Kiffin or Dooley? Who are almost entirely responsible for the current state of the football team. I must have missed that too.
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Really??? Those 2 were almost entirely responsible for the situation at UT???? Ha!!! That's just ridiculous, and proves u have no clue what u r talking about. Kiffin blew the top off of what had been pushed down for yrs. Dooley was a "stop gap" per se.

If u think that either one of those coaches were the real issue with UT being in the situation it is then u seriously have no clue.

Up to this pt I'm no fan of Hart to be honest. The guy let last year's Gruden rumors get out of hand. So he either allowed it to to bring the season down so he could get Dooley out or he has no clue what he's doing as an AD.
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LA Vol said:
I agree with you-- Hamilton ruined everything he touched. But he's been gone for three years, and Hart's lack of progress hasn't won him many fans. He handled the Dooley business badly. Then he alienated boosters and bungled the search for Dooley's replacement. CBJ may turn out to be a fortuitous hire, but it would be an example of a blind squirrel finally finding a nut.
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How did he bungle the search for the next HC? Don't tell me you bought the Gruden crap. Point out exact situations were he has alienated the boosters. There's a lot of situations that have had hard choices and no one was going to be satisfied regardless of how it was handled.
 
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