VQ chats with Dave Hart...

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Oskie Volum said:
Really??? Those 2 were almost entirely responsible for the situation at UT???? Ha!!! That's just ridiculous, and proves u have no clue what u r talking about. Kiffin blew the top off of what had been pushed down for yrs. Dooley was a "stop gap" per se.

If u think that either one of those coaches were the real issue with UT being in the situation it is then u seriously have no clue.

Up to this pt I'm no fan of Hart to be honest. The guy let last year's Gruden rumors get out of hand. So he either allowed it to to bring the season down so he could get Dooley out or he has no clue what he's doing as an AD.
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I think Kiffin's 2010 class had like 80+% attrition rate through Dooley's years here our attrition rate was a little over the average for SEC schools but the attrition rate of the 4 and 5 start prospects was quite a bit higher than the SEC. So I would think those two have a little bit of the blame.

As for the Gruden thing, yeah I totally blame Dave Hart for giving our fans too much credit and assuming they're not a bunch of delusional, mouth breathing, morons.
 
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oregonvol said:
And yet, under Hamilton, we never had back to back years without a bowl. We have 3 straight under Hart.

And under Hamilton, we made the NCAA tournament in men's basketball 6 straight years. Never made it under Hart.

Of course, Hamilton screwed up a ton of stuff and deserves blame for it. But Hart has been here for nearly 3 years (and 3 straight losing seasons in football). At some point, he doesn't get to simply blame Hamilton anymore. At some point, he has to take responsibility. Especially when results have actually been worse on his watch.
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What do you want him to do? Go down on the field/court during a game and yell at some people? Fire someone?Dave Hart has made one hire and Butch Jones has been on the job a little over 12 months trying to clean up the mess of his predecessors. You have no freaking clue what you're talking about and it shows, badly.
 
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oregonvol said:
And yet, under Hamilton, we never had back to back years without a bowl. We have 3 straight under Hart.

And under Hamilton, we made the NCAA tournament in men's basketball 6 straight years. Never made it under Hart.

Of course, Hamilton screwed up a ton of stuff and deserves blame for it. But Hart has been here for nearly 3 years (and 3 straight losing seasons in football). At some point, he doesn't get to simply blame Hamilton anymore. At some point, he has to take responsibility. Especially when results have actually been worse on his watch.
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Yes Hart's been here 3 years and nothing has improved so he must be fired. Also, CBJ had a losing season so he must be fired. Yea, that should fix everything.
 
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3rd_and_Jancek said:
"Fire Hart, Fire Cuonzo , Fire Butch, Fire Everybody" - OregonVol
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Well, I tried conversing with you. Clearly you can't hold an actual discussion without resorting to pathetic strawman arguments. I have never called for firing Butch Jones or Cuonzo Martin (I never really called for the firing of Dave Hart, but I guess asking for a grown man with a highly paid job to be held accountable for the results of that job equates to pretty much the same thing on here). Grow up.
 
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I feel as though not many people in this thread know what an Athletic Director does. He's a business man. He makes business decisions. Here's what he inherited: A terrible football team coached by a terrible coach with a terrible contract; A first year basketball coach who was unproven at the time and has barely missed the tournament in his first two years but has recruited exceptionally well; A disaster of a department financially; A bunch of hanger-ons that were collecting a pay check for doing nothing (Hamilton let this go on for years because he was intimidated by Pat Summitt and Fulmer).

He cleaned house of the people that weren't doing **** and collecting a paycheck. He got rid of Dooley. Should have done it sooner, but our boy Hamilton gave him a sweetheart deal that would have had UT paying through the teeth to get rid of yet another coach. So he waited another year to see it play out and soften the financial blow. Not much he could have done about that. Then he had to go out and hire a football coach that everyone thinks should have been God himself come to Earth to save UT football. He let the rumors get out of control, he could have done a better job with that. When God didn't want to come here, people freaked out so he went out and hired an actual real-life college football coach. Not a guy with a bad haircut and who hadn't coached in years, or decades in college. (But, by God, Gruden would have saved UT football!!)

Cuonzo has this year to make the tourney, and he should or it's his job. Hart knows this, Cuonzo knows this. This is his best team since he's been here and he's recruited very well. So only time will tell.

I'm not saying he's lit the world on fire since he's been hired, but I'd give him a B-/C+ for having to deal with all the crap left behind by Hamilton with limited resources. Butch Jones is going to get 4 years, plain and simple. Everybody on the planet recognizes that the football team is a mess that needs steady, consistent leadership to get back on the winning track. I really don't know why some people on this site don't think this is the case. The basketball program will sort itself out by the end of the season. Cuonzo wins, his job is safe. He loses or doesn't make the tourney, he'll be gone. It's that simple.
 
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oregonvol said:
Well, I tried conversing with you. Clearly you can't hold an actual discussion without resorting to pathetic strawman arguments. I have never called for firing Butch Jones or Cuonzo Martin (I never really called for the firing of Dave Hart, but I guess asking for a grown man with a highly paid job to be held accountable for the results of that job equates to pretty much the same thing on here). Grow up.
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Can you take a joke or are you too busy trying to find something to blame Hart for?
 
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DaddyChad said:
I think Kiffin's 2010 class had like 80+% attrition rate through Dooley's years here our attrition rate was a little over the average for SEC schools but the attrition rate of the 4 and 5 start prospects was quite a bit higher than the SEC. So I would think those two have a little bit of the blame.

As for the Gruden thing, yeah I totally blame Dave Hart for giving our fans too much credit and assuming they're not a bunch of delusional, mouth breathing, morons.
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I don't disagree that Kif and dools had a little blame but "almost entirely" as the poster said is way off target. When a situation is as bad as it was when dooley walked in u r throwing stuff at the wall hoping something sticks. No real solution manuels for that situation. U fix one issue over here and another pops up over yonder. Vicious cycle until it all can be fixed one by one. Little by little less things start to randomly pop up and that's when progress starts to show up. Takes time.
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Oskie Volum said:
Really??? Those 2 were almost entirely responsible for the situation at UT???? Ha!!! That's just ridiculous, and proves u have no clue what u r talking about. Kiffin blew the top off of what had been pushed down for yrs. Dooley was a "stop gap" per se.

If u think that either one of those coaches were the real issue with UT being in the situation it is then u seriously have no clue.

Up to this pt I'm no fan of Hart to be honest. The guy let last year's Gruden rumors get out of hand. So he either allowed it to to bring the season down so he could get Dooley out or he has no clue what he's doing as an AD.
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Derek Dooley was a disaster "per se". And yes, most UT fans look at a collective 21-27 record with Kiffin and Dooley on the sidelines and believe that the head coaches in charge of all things UT football might've had something to do with the disastrous results and poor state of the program.
 
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oregonvol said:
Well, I tried conversing with you. Clearly you can't hold an actual discussion without resorting to pathetic strawman arguments. I have never called for firing Butch Jones or Cuonzo Martin (I never really called for the firing of Dave Hart, but I guess asking for a grown man with a highly paid job to be held accountable for the results of that job equates to pretty much the same thing on here). Grow up.
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You're the one who is trying to pin the failings of Hamilton on hart. He's working on it but sometimes things have to go worse before they can get better
 
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Oskie Volum said:
I don't disagree that Kif and dools had a little blame but "almost entirely" as the poster said is way off target. When a situation is as bad as it was when dooley walked in u r throwing stuff at the wall hoping something sticks. No real solution manuels for that situation. U fix one issue over here and another pops up over yonder. Vicious cycle until it all can be fixed one by one. Little by little less things start to randomly pop up and that's when progress starts to show up. Takes time.
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Probably should've checked with his former boss Saban... he evidently had the manual.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
I don't disagree that Kif and dools had a little blame but "almost entirely" as the poster said is way off target. When a situation is as bad as it was when dooley walked in u r throwing stuff at the wall hoping something sticks. No real solution manuels for that situation. U fix one issue over here and another pops up over yonder. Vicious cycle until it all can be fixed one by one. Little by little less things start to randomly pop up and that's when progress starts to show up. Takes time.
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No. Hamilton and whoever was incompetent enough to allow him to make a worse mess by getting an opportunity to make another hire is responsible for most of this.
 
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LA Vol said:
I agree with you-- Hamilton ruined everything he touched. But he's been gone for three years, and Hart's lack of progress hasn't won him many fans. He handled the Dooley business badly. Then he alienated boosters and bungled the search for Dooley's replacement. CBJ may turn out to be a fortuitous hire, but it would be an example of a blind squirrel finally finding a nut.
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Thats exactly right and it's sad that only the "clueless" fans understand that Hart has been a failure so far.
 
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BlueHalo said:
:lolabove:


Being an AD in your first years is a lot like being president. There is a lot of carry-over effect from the previous administration that you have no control over.

Really, missing the NCAA tourney since he's been here? Did he hire Martin? I must have missed that.

Did he hire Kiffin or Dooley? Who are almost entirely responsible for the current state of the football team. I must have missed that too.
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So its Bush`s fault...Now we know. :)
 
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FiremedicVOL127 said:
There are a couple if things that I for one see as being improved upon since his hiring! For starters the 1st thing is that we have the 2nd ranked recruiting class in NCAA football! I saw great strides in our football program! I see a coach that actually has a fire under him to lead these players! Our coach seems to genuinely WANT to be here, he wants to be our coach! He takes blame for the losses and moves forward to improve! He does not throw the blame off on the players! Our coaching staff in a whole are doing a great job of selling our university! That is all things that can be seen by the public! Now for things that aren't talked about much by the media but are changes and improvements from the previous regime! Hart has taken back the control of the athletic funds and put them back in our athletic dept! The seats if Neyland had more butts in them this year than they did last year. Our fans enthusiasm was at a higher decibel this year than in years past ( and no that's not directly on Hart) but it's a improvement! The budget seems to be becoming more manageable under his watch. Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head.
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Glad to see someone understands whats going on.
 
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Burger said:
The reason events happen is usually something from the past. The biggest mistake Hart made was letting Dooley get on the bus at Kentucky. That's also in pure hindsight. I don't fault Hart for it though.
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i actually thought it was letting Wilcox and company get away
 
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governmentmule said:
i actually thought it was letting Wilcox and company get away
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I actually believe that was a master stroke on Hart's part. I think he realized that Dooley was not going lead this team back to the heights of the SEC, let alone the nation. So, by not trying to keep all those coaches he helped seal Dooley's fate that much quicker. Just a theory on my part...
 
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tomq_123 said:
I actually believe that was a master stroke on Hart's part. I think he realized that Dooley was not going lead this team back to the heights of the SEC, let alone the nation. So, by not trying to keep all those coaches he helped seal Dooley's fate that much quicker. Just a theory on my part...
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So your theory is that Hart decided to give Dooley worse coaches to ensure he would have another bad year rather than simply replacing him after the Kentucky game? I don't know if I would call that a "master stroke" (unless his goal was to actually set the program back further...)
 
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oregonvol said:
So your theory is that Hart decided to give Dooley worse coaches to ensure he would have another bad year rather than simply replacing him after the Kentucky game? I don't know if I would call that a "master stroke" (unless his goal was to actually set the program back further...)
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You forget the extra $$$ it would have costed him to let him go a year earlier. This is money that an already bleeding athletic department could not afford.
 
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toddyj said:
Why does everyone hate hart so bad? He didn't create this mess. He's trying to get ya out if it.
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Simple Dave hart wanted to keep fools his last year if he beat candy.. Is that a vote of confidence that he knows football n he looked in the camera n told the vol nation he had this coaching search under control when in fact he didn't he hasn't even started looking.

U need more?
 
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tomq_123 said:
You forget the extra $$$ it would have costed him to let him go a year earlier. This is money that an already bleeding athletic department could not afford.
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So we paid his salary last year and added new staff with buyouts as well? While setting our program further away from being able to compete, increasing fan apathy, and losing ticket sales? I don't see the fiscal benefits there.
 
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