War in Ukraine

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Hunerwadel said:
Attention @Rasputin_Vol : You probably should give it a rest. You've taken a pretty good beatdown today...all day actually. And for god's sake get a life.
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His arguments represent what is wrong with the generation today and why things are failing. He thinks he is smarter than nearly every historian that has discussed and studied World War 2 their entire life, all of the world leaders at that time in history, and pretty much most military or political theorists. He isn't alone, tons of "know it alls" out there and the sad thing is, they are allowed to vote.
 
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volbound1700 said:
His arguments represent what is wrong with the generation today and why things are failing. He thinks he is smarter than nearly every historian that has discussed and studied World War 2 their entire life, all of the world leaders at that time in history, and pretty much most military or political theorists. He isn't alone, tons of "know it alls" out there and the sad thing is, they are allowed to vote.
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What generation am I? Who did I vote for in 2020?
 
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landscapingvol said:
That is correct, people forget Germany was The military power in both World Wars, in both technology, training, tactics, and leadership. Is Russia a major military power? Yes. Do they have the military and industrial complex to launch anything similar to the Germans in both World Wars? No, they do not. Neither do the Chinese and neither do we to be fair, but we are the only ones who are probably the closest to possessing that capability. The World and societies are much different than a century ago. I am not going to say that no country has the stomach to endure millions of casualties, outside of maybe the Chinese, but the notion that this has the potential to launch into WW3 is misguided imho. Never say never, but the days of total conventional wars are more than likely over. I would be shocked to see another nation arbitrarily carpet bomb or lay siege to a city using mass artillery fire. I could be wrong but it will be a tactical strike into certain regions of Ukraine with limited outside interference.
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This guy in his video points out that on numerous occasions the world cited that wars were over and there was prolonged periods of peace that only resulted into eventually larger conflicts. I think it is naïve to assume that wars on the scale of WW2 will never happen again. One thing seems to be in common about periods of human strife that he points out, usually it is in time of economic and social troubles like we are experiencing now.



 
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allvol123 said:
I understand what you’re saying but believe that once one party instigates it, the combatants remove all rules and “civilized” warfare goes out the window. Revenge makes people crazy.
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That would be the one thing that would unite the rest of the World against Putin. I would hope that he knows that but who knows. The last time we carpet bombed a city was during the Vietnam Wa, even then it was only for a few days. It worked but we didn't have the stomach to continue it due to international/domestic pressure and that was during a war we were ultimately humiliated in internationally. They will get bogged down in urban/guerilla tactics just like we did. The only solution to that is complete destruction of cities and towns.
 
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volbound1700 said:
This guy in his video points out that on numerous occasions the world cited that wars were over and there was prolonged periods of peace that only resulted into eventually larger conflicts. I think it is naïve to assume that wars on the scale of WW2 will never happen again. One thing seems to be in common about periods of human strife that he points out, usually it is in time of economic and social troubles like we are experiencing now.



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Societies are much different than they were during those wars, societies were extremely militaristic, conscription was common throughout Europe, and people were committed to sacrificing for the good of the nation. Those feelings are archaic in Europe and very limited in the US if at all in any large numbers
 
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landscapingvol said:
Societies are much different than they were during those wars, societies were extremely militaristic, conscription was common throughout Europe, and people were committed to sacrificing for the good of the nation. Those feelings are archaic in Europe and very limited in the US if at all in any large numbers
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Has this not happened in the world before? Also, you are limiting everything to just Europe. There are multiple powers outside of Europe as well that could be the flashpoints for conflict (India-Pakistan, China-Taiwan, N. Korea-South Korea, Middle East region, etc.).

I think it is very naïve to assume that wars are over. The main thing keeping the peace has been the imbalance of the USA versus other powers on the world stage. As the USA has weakened, it is opening the door for potential conflicts.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Nope. We won’t even make a Kabul F-up level of effort here
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We've made it very clear no rescue will be made. I'm sorry but if you're an American who refuses to leave now, when you still can, you should be left on your own. Everyone has had plenty of time to make evac plans.
 
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volbound1700 said:
To be honest, I think Rasputin will get his wish. I don't think USA is going to do much if Russia goes into Ukraine.
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We shouldn’t be putting our people in the line of fire in Ukraine. This is a European problem he’s right on that.

I was just referencing all the water carrying he will be doing to justify Putin’s upcoming false flag op is all.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I think it is very naïve to assume that wars are over. The main thing keeping the peace has been the imbalance of the USA versus other powers on the world stage. As the USA has weakened, it is opening the door for potential conflicts.
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The USA has not been peaceful nor promoted peace. What are you talking about? We have hundreds of military bases dotting the globe, and have been in dozens of skirmishes and conflicts in far flung corners of the earth.

You can't even say this with a straight face.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Has this not happened in the world before? Also, you are limiting everything to just Europe. There are multiple powers outside of Europe as well that could be the flashpoints for conflict (India-Pakistan, China-Taiwan, N. Korea-South Korea, Middle East region, etc.).

I think it is very naïve to assume that wars are over. The main thing keeping the peace has been the imbalance of the USA versus other powers on the world stage. As the USA has weakened, it is opening the door for potential conflicts.
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Outside of nuclear destruction, North Korea doesn't possess that capability neither does India or Pakistan. I have never suggested wars are over. I am suggesting that World wars, especially the conventional type are probably over. If you extrapolate for population increases, a World war today similar to WW2 would result in 4-500 million casualties and over 100 trillion dollars in damage. Not to mention the widespread poverty/hunger/shortages as a result of the fighting. There isn't a country on earth that could absorb anything close to those losses.
 
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Burhead said:
We've made it very clear no rescue will be made. I'm sorry but if you're an American who refuses to leave now, when you still can, you should be left on your own. Everyone has had plenty of time to make evac plans.
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Yep. You can’t blame the admin for stranded Americans on this one. The GOP will of course try but it isn’t accurate. Anytime you see the diplomats high tailing it’s out it’s not a good idea to be behind them.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
We shouldn’t be putting our people in the line of fire in Ukraine. This is a European problem he’s right on that.

I was just referencing all the water carrying he will be doing to justify Putin’s upcoming false flag op is all.
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The UK and US are masters of the false flag. Putin would have to take notes from us to pull one off.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The USA has not been peaceful nor promoted peace. What are you talking about? We have hundreds of military bases dotting the globe, and have been in dozens of skirmishes and conflicts in far flung corners of the earth.

You can't even say this with a straight face.
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We have bases in places people have never heard of. Something like 160 countries on earth host American troops. It's insane and useless.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Outside of nuclear destruction, North Korea doesn't possess that capability neither does India or Pakistan. I have never suggested wars are over. I am suggesting that World wars, especially the conventional type are probably over. If you extrapolate for population increases, a World war today similar to WW2 would result in 4-500 million casualties and over 100 trillion dollars in damage. Not to mention the widespread poverty/hunger/shortages as a result of the fighting. There isn't a country on earth that could absorb anything close to those losses.
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Economic and cyber warfare are where we are and where we will continue to head. It does no good for the ruling class to destroy everyone they'd potentially rule.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Societies are much different than they were during those wars, societies were extremely militaristic, conscription was common throughout Europe, and people were committed to sacrificing for the good of the nation. Those feelings are archaic in Europe and very limited in the US if at all in any large numbers
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You could say that at any time.

Society has advanced passed monarchies, we are past the petty wars.
We are christianized what need of war do we have.
we are past the days of human sacrifice, no more big wars.
We have established writing, gone are the days of nomadic tribal conflict.

War, war never changes.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Outside of nuclear destruction, North Korea doesn't possess that capability neither does India or Pakistan. I have never suggested wars are over. I am suggesting that World wars, especially the conventional type are probably over. If you extrapolate for population increases, a World war today similar to WW2 would result in 4-500 million casualties and over 100 trillion dollars in damage. Not to mention the widespread poverty/hunger/shortages as a result of the fighting. There isn't a country on earth that could absorb anything close to those losses.
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Keep in mind that most wars started with neither party really look for wars, they were accidents or minor issues that led to escalations into greater conflicts. Seven Years War is a classic example of this where a small incursion in Ohio led to a World War. (Some call the Seven Years War the first true World War).
 
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